chassidus
12-22-2002, 08:27 PM
I was wondering if we could pull some resources on this subject. There's a lot of bits and pieces floating around, but I haven't seen the puzzle pieced.
For example:
Serach bas Asher never died.
Yacov Avinue never died.
Eliyahu Hanavi performs missions in a physical body.
Yehudah Hanosi made kidush for his family after his histalkus.
The Baal Shem Tov and Magid visiting the Alter Rebbe in jail in physical bodies.
The Tzemach Tzedek and Rebbe Maharash being visited by the previous Rebbeim, who came in physical bodies, after their histalkus and learning maamarim from them.
I have heard it explained that Tzaddikim can be present in many places at once spiritually, like Eliyahu at the seder or at a bris, yet, this is only a haorah of their ruach. However, when they come into a body they have all halachos of a living person, like Yehudah Hanosi, who was motzi his family in kiddush. Any sources for this?
I have also heard an explanation about two bodies--the body of klipah and the body from the Luz bone. This is a more spiritual body. But is it only a more refined and perfect physical one as we know it or something different? Mainly, can it defy normal physical bounds. For example, Yacov's body was embalmed. That would kill a normal person. Is that the same body that he lives on in or does he live on in spiritual one. Was Eliyahu's physical body burnt up and a more spiritual one was saved for his descent, or is it the same one? Similarly, when Yehudah Hanasi came and made kiddush was this the body they buried or a more spiritual one? Similarly Gan Eiden: is it a physical place that is in a higher spiritual dimension? I believe I've heard that it is.
Like I said I've heard a lot of pieces and I have a general picture, but I would like to research this more and find some clear sources on it (I know they're out there, I've even seen some I just want to compile resources). Anyone able to help?
For example:
Serach bas Asher never died.
Yacov Avinue never died.
Eliyahu Hanavi performs missions in a physical body.
Yehudah Hanosi made kidush for his family after his histalkus.
The Baal Shem Tov and Magid visiting the Alter Rebbe in jail in physical bodies.
The Tzemach Tzedek and Rebbe Maharash being visited by the previous Rebbeim, who came in physical bodies, after their histalkus and learning maamarim from them.
I have heard it explained that Tzaddikim can be present in many places at once spiritually, like Eliyahu at the seder or at a bris, yet, this is only a haorah of their ruach. However, when they come into a body they have all halachos of a living person, like Yehudah Hanosi, who was motzi his family in kiddush. Any sources for this?
I have also heard an explanation about two bodies--the body of klipah and the body from the Luz bone. This is a more spiritual body. But is it only a more refined and perfect physical one as we know it or something different? Mainly, can it defy normal physical bounds. For example, Yacov's body was embalmed. That would kill a normal person. Is that the same body that he lives on in or does he live on in spiritual one. Was Eliyahu's physical body burnt up and a more spiritual one was saved for his descent, or is it the same one? Similarly, when Yehudah Hanasi came and made kiddush was this the body they buried or a more spiritual one? Similarly Gan Eiden: is it a physical place that is in a higher spiritual dimension? I believe I've heard that it is.
Like I said I've heard a lot of pieces and I have a general picture, but I would like to research this more and find some clear sources on it (I know they're out there, I've even seen some I just want to compile resources). Anyone able to help?