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Jude
09-10-2003, 10:37 AM
An elementary school's reaction to one student's allergy to peanuts has parents complaining about "Nazi-like" peanut police searching their children's backpacks.

Angry parents packed a parent-teacher meeting last night at Valle Verde Elementary School in Walnut Creek, Calif., to protest the school's new "peanut reduction policy."

Under the policy, kindergarten classrooms and a special playground area have been designated "peanut- and tree nut-free zones." Students and visitors are required to wash their hands. Backpacks and lunch boxes are searched and peanut products are confiscated.

The policy is in response to lobbying by parent Leora Cope, whose 5-year-old son's allergy is so severe that even peanut butter residue left on the playground monkey bars could send him into anaphylactic shock. Cope's family demanded the Mt. Diablo school district accommodate their son under the Americans with Disabilities Act and the federal regulation known as Section 504.

The Copes had wanted peanuts banned from the entire school campus. The reduction policy was adopted as a compromise.

The district also hired a health aide to spend 30 hours a week training staff members in the use of an Epipen, an adrenaline injector that assists people who go into anaphylactic shock.

"Everyone's going to do the best they can to keep him safe, as they would any child," district spokeswoman Sue Berg told the Contra Costa Times, pointing out that Valle Verde's policy is less restrictive than others. "There are whole schools that have declared themselves peanut-free."

But parents questioned why hundreds of children must lose the traditional lunchtime staple over one child's allergy.

"If their child has such severe allergies, I suggest that they home-school their child," the local paper quotes parent Carol Gross as saying. "I would like to know what this family does out in the world. They expect over 600 families to conform to their unfortunate situation, not to mention the cost of the already financially suffering school district to have a nurse appointed solely to attend to the needs of one child."

Some parents are considering keeping their kindergarteners home from school for a day to demonstrate their displeasure over the nut ban.

Parent, Amy Casey, has started a protest petition to promote "dialogue" with the district.

"There have to be reasonable accommodations," Casey said. "[But] they're searching my kid's backpack. There's no reading specialist, but [they hired] a 30-hour-a-week aide who's a nurse?"

"What we're talking about is life or death, not hives," countered PTA president Kim Moore. "For this year, we have this little person who needs us to take really good care of him, and there's plenty of case law out there."

if it was a yeshiva - what would the halacha be - can this one child's pikuach nefesh situation compel everyone to accomodate him? should he be home-schooled?

Yankel Nosson
09-10-2003, 10:46 AM
Are you serious, Jude? We're talking about peanuts, here. What obligation is there to let children eat PBnJ in school? A child's life is mamash at risk.

Some parents are considering keeping their kindergarteners home from school for a day to demonstrate their displeasure over the nut ban.
They must be nuts!

:cheeky:

Wolf
09-10-2003, 10:48 AM
But do we then accomodate all allergies? If my kid is allergic to tuna, do we then ban tuna in the schools too? What about eggs (another high-allergy food)? Where do you draw the line. Ayn l'davar sof.

Wolf

Yankel Nosson
09-10-2003, 10:50 AM
a) Can the allergy result in a life-threatening condition?
b) Does the child have to actually eat the substance, or does even his neighbor's lunch pail put him at risk.

If yes, teach the kids a little iskafia and keep it out.
If not, teach the little allergic one to be careful and warn his classmates not to tempt him.

Yankel Nosson
09-10-2003, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Wolf
But do we then accomodate all allergies? If my kid is allergic to tuna, do we then ban tuna in the schools too? What about eggs (another high-allergy food)? Where do you draw the line. Ayn l'davar sof.
Egg dust is generally not a problem.

Wolf
09-10-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by Yankel Nosson

Egg dust is generally not a problem.

Fair enough. Bad example on my part.

But there are thousands of substances out there that are allergenic. Are you going to ban them all?

Wolf

Jude
09-10-2003, 11:02 AM
YN - obviously your children wouldn't consider a ban on peanut-butter sandwiches the end of the world, but lots and lots of kids ONLY eat peanut-butter sandwiches, or peanut-butter and jelly, so banning peanut butter is not the triviality you make it out to be. Now if they were banning soy or bean sprouts ...

Yankel Nosson
09-10-2003, 11:05 AM
Jude, let me tell you, my 4 1/2 year old only eats peanut butter, cream cheese, pizza, hamburger, french fries (of course), "Bamba", and "La Nash." :knockedou (Occassionally he will grant permission for a green apple.)

And in fact the Yeshiva we are sending him to this year has one "nut-free" classroom due to an allergic child.

Right and wrong shouldn't be subject to whether or not one is among the "inconvenienced."

RebLazer
09-10-2003, 11:28 AM
Me'zad ha'din, there is no question: al ha'nizak le'harchik.

From the point of view of midas chasidus, li'fnim mi'shuras ha'din, there is also no question.

Jude
09-10-2003, 11:29 AM
tircha d'tzibura is a factor taken into account
I don't know the parameters, but it is a factor

Kapote
09-10-2003, 01:21 PM
so do your children eat PB Jude ;) ?

Mine actually won't touch the stuff.... two ate only PB for about 8 months both when they were 2 but no one does....

and my 6 yr old has someone in her class that is allergic and
we were asked to try to refrain from bringing or not sitting near and my daughter is glad. :cheesy:

Jude
09-10-2003, 02:44 PM
peanut-butter chocolate chip cookies are popular around here, made between posts ... :cheesy:

shoyn
09-11-2003, 03:56 AM
hence the chewy texture.....

iamachassid
09-11-2003, 06:52 PM
And the nuttiness? :silly:
I think in pre-school they can make it peanut free but in elementary school they can expect the kid to know better on his own.

hishtatchus
09-11-2003, 10:04 PM
from the original article
even peanut butter residue left on the playground monkey bars could send him into anaphylactic shock

It's not a matter of knowing better, it's the problem that not sharing snack won't solve the problem.