"Goin' Chassidish "

[daas]

A new Chabad music Album is about to hit the market. The music of Goin’ Chassidish was created to promote Chabad philosophy is a hip, funny and entertaining way.
This exciting new CD will be available in local book stores June 17th.

For more info visit www.GoinChassidish.com (http://www.goinchassidish.com/)


(shmais.com)

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Any comments?

[shoyn]

to quote one of our esteemed posters 'NEBACH'

and nebach on all the news sites, shmais, chabadnik, col, that find this item newsworthy

[Torah613]

A chilul Hashem. Yeah, and nebach...

[chassidus]

I think it's a good thing. Considering the type of people it caters to. Besides, I like the unrest in the youth, it makes change. You might argue that it isn't being channeled well, but doing nothing and just resigning to the situation is worse.

[iamachassid]

the cover is cute!

[Torah613]

Originally posted by chassidus
I think it's a good thing. Considering the type of people it caters to. Besides, I like the unrest in the youth, it makes change. You might argue that it isn't being channeled well, but doing nothing and just resigning to the situation is worse. Read the lyrics, and tell me what is good about them, how it will increase anyone's yiras shomayim etc.
Do you really think this is what the Rebbe means by hafotzo (and how would he react to the lyrics)?

[Torah613]

Idle curiosity: Where did these kids learn?

[stwill]

I don't see anything so terrible about it. Sure, it's not the type of thing I would play at home to my kids, but for people who need to associate Chassidishkeit with something "hip, funny and entertaining", it has its uses. Some people need to see some humor and "lightening up", in addition to deep learning and Farbrenging.

As for the Rebbe's reaction, of course neither I, nor anyone else can predict that, but I could imagine the Rebbe smiling at the lyrics.

[Torah613]

Right, the Rebbe would really chuckle at "barfin on the floor", "having to be carried out", and all the other rubbish there. Really hilarious. Nebach...

[LION]

As the Rebbe quoted from Pirkei Avos many times "uMikarvon l'Torah" - 'and he brings them closer to the torah' , And NOT the opposite.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

niggunim arent the type of songs that just stay in your head and u sing them over (for most of us)

and these songs do

even poeple who dont listen to goyishe music still hear it here and there. and they sometime wake up and want to smack themselves they were just humming a goyishe song!!! this music can help for that

besides its not an issur so i dont know if mekarvan latorah applies... they are just making it easier they are not going against torah....

[daas]

Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa
niggunim arent the type of songs that just stay in your head and u sing them over (for most of us)

and these songs do

even poeple who dont listen to goyishe music still hear it here and there. and they sometime wake up and want to smack themselves they were just humming a goyishe song!!! this music can help for that

I am not going to get into the premise that you are saying about niggunim, But I will say this..It is better for them to have Avraham fried's (and the likes) songs going on in their heads then these songs vdal.

[LION]

Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa
besides its not an issur so i dont know if mekarvan latorah applies... they are just making it easier they are not going against torah....

Nobody said there was an issur [although...] Mekarvan Letorah does not [only] mean an issur (for which you do not need pirkei avos -mili dchasidusa- rather) it means Not making 'any' psharos what so ever.

Besides, What in the world are they 'making easier’? And for who? (The person who listens to this music any how? is this going to stop him? no, The person who does not usual listen to this type of music? He should start!?)

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Besides, What in the world are they 'making easier’? And for who? (The person who listens to this music any how? is this going to stop him? no, The person who does not usual listen to this type of music? He should start!?)

it will stop someone who is looking into goyishe music and even if he wont stop at least for those minutes he is listening to this cd and not ...............

[LION]

Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa


it will stop someone who is looking into goyishe music

Before getting any further....How?

[BaisHamikdashBa]

well thats a hard question!!!!!!!!

some poeple think that jewish music is bad (in loshen nikeya)

so they go for........ and this isnt even like variaton or david lazar this is all made up. its not taken from goyishe songs

besides its a good starter for those who are becomming frum (mimutza)

[n'eNow770]

I have to say that i went on their site, and listened to their songs... They're hillarious, if anything it makes me laugh at them then get inspired... I suppose that these individuals felt a need to pursue their dreams of becoming a rock band, thus they attmepted to "kasher" it...
Will it make you feel uplifted? NO
Will it make you feel lower? Not neccissarily
Will it make be productive? Seems like bittul zman...
Is it of any use to anyone? I can't answer for others.....

[Chassidic1]

B"H
2, Tamuz, 5764

The content, like the music & lyrics used to convey it, is real.
That's what I like about it.

My favorite track is "Yesh." :D

[BaisHamikdashBa]

and yehuda glantz and piamenta those are also wild music (i thnk classified in rock n roll).
do you listen to them? do you let your kids listen to them?

[n'eNow770]

I decided id go on their site and hear one more song to get a basis, and you know what? Honestly i think its all one big funny joke... they're probably some bochurim who just wanted to have a little fun... ITS HILLARIOUS....

[LION]

]Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa
well thats a hard question!!!!!!!!


That is the point.

Of course you will be able to dig and find some good in it like by [almost ]everything else....the question is overall what is it?


Originally posted by n'eNow770
I suppose that these individuals felt a need to pursue their dreams of becoming a rock band, thus they attmepted to "kasher" it...


It certainly seems so....

[roza]

the name of the CD and the content don't really go together and it's very misleading.
if they would just call it another name - then i guess there would be less complains and it would be just another "shlock rock"... but those guys are claiming to GO CHASSIDISH
:errm:

i do see a place for such music on the market but the way they position themselves - dose of chassidic rock for general chassidic crowd - is not right and confusing.

shmais btw put this next to the ad

Note: parents may want to sample this music before buying for their children

but the whole ad goes like this:

Goin’ Chassidish is a hip, funny and entertaining new album which communicates messages of chassidus through comical rock music.

http://shmais.com/news.cfm?ID=15313

[n'eNow770]

"Comical rock music" It's meant to be funny!!! Lighten up about it... its just a spoof if u ask me.... no need to get riled up about it...
Its just sum funnnnnnny stuff

[farshtuptemench]

but i think that for most ppl it would be a transition from jewish to non jewish music. this is practically non jewish although they said they made everything up. the beats, the words, the way they pronounce the words e/t jsut not the content (message being brought out). i dont think this cd would help ppl i think it would make it worse.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

bottom line most people are against rock and roll, right?

b/c of chukas hagoyim?

and yehuda glantz and piamenta

[n'eNow770]

I read their "guest book" on their site...A lot of ppl thanked them, saying that they really NEEDED music like this... I needed a good laugh, but hey, that's just me! Ppl reall really like it tho... My sis and can't get over how FUNNY it is!
Some of their songs remind me of "journeys" just no where as deep...

[stwill]

yehuda glantz and piamenta

and while you're at it, did any of you ever hear Bulton's music?

[n'eNow770]

To tell you the truth... I have a major obsession with miami boy's choir... I don't know, they just have a vibe in their music that is so uplifting, lol. I think it's bc they're little and have pure good Neshamos that just call out to other Neshamos....

[n'eNow770]

It annoys me though when Yerachmiel Begun sings in with them... lol

[roza]

soon we are going to have chassidic hard rock/metal. why not? it's not assur.

[CHdish]

i really don't know what to say to you people besides maybe chill out! i mean didn't you ever hear of singers like david lazar, black hattitude, shlock rock, mettalish, oif simchas... oh and is blue fringe rock :rolleyes: ? and lets not forget about all those Israeli singers which being that they sing in ivrit it makes the music kosher ok j/k there, but these are just some of the general Jewish rock music that are pretty popular and plenty off ppl listen and enjoy of course there are those who dont listen (hey im sure there are alot of ppl who don't listen to carelbach too, though i don't know of too many)

ok i don't want to get carried away cuz im sure there is a different thread on music but i just don't understand why are people bashing this cd going chasidish? is their music asur? do they have any negative in their lyrics?? bad toychin?? or maybe are they copying it from non-jewish music??? :confused: i understand some ppl don't really like rock (sensitive ears) so hey if you want to stick to nigunei chabad no problem, me personaly i love a great farbrengen and i love singing niggunim at a farbrengen, but when im sitting by the computer listening to music or almost any other time niggunei chabad just wont do the trick and i appreciate bands like these for their lively tunes and funny chilled lyrics and entertainment (and for keeping me awake :D )

i happened to be at yam jam this past motzei shabbos and they played one of the songs and the response was pretty positive (ok so it was at yam jam but still isn't that the point? vdal) also i liked the way he explained the chasidish concept of "going chasidish" why going, becouse a jewish person has to be constantly on the go, always working on himself and trying to be better and better,
(and when your not moving forward... it ain't good)

whatever, im just kinda baffled and trying to figure out whats the reason ppl really seem upset at this kind of music, and this cd in particular. me personally i like this style music but hey everyone is entitled to MY opinion hehe j/k, in truth i understand that ppl dont listen to this kind of music and im sorry if i come off as kinda pushy or loud(but as i always say live and let live, although it doesn't seem right for you...)

btw just a reality check how many ppl are aware of where mbd's song yidden yidden originated from? (the truth is kinda crazy)

[BaisHamikdashBa]

your right!!!!!!! besides its better than david lazzar.... who have reall goyishe songs and change 5 words.

btw i do have a clip of the band where mbd got his song. i think he was sued last year or something..

[n'eNow770]

I played goinchsassidish for my friend today... She started cracking up, but she said they really don't seem Jewish at all... She'd in fact love to buy the tape just for a good laugh, but u cant even play it in the car, cuz ppl will think ur listening to goyishe music.....

[roza]

who said it was jewish music?

[CHdish]

ok i dont know if there is another thread on this or not but i would appreciate if someone would write the guidelines (and not simply their guidelines but rather like if there are any in halacha ect.) as to exactly what kind of music is JEWISH music.

[iamachassid]

lots of threads on this, find it by clicking on the search tab

[CHdish]

um there realy is alot to look, through can you please direct me to the right thread or the right post

[BaisHamikdashBa]

why cant u play it in the car? because poeple will hear? even if it was avraham fried, are we shvartes that blast music......... cds that we listen to in a car are usually not blasting any way.. and if it is that is really chukas hagoyim.....

roza, are you implying that its goyishe music??

[roza]

Originally posted by n'eNow770
... they really don't seem Jewish at all... She'd in fact love to buy the tape just for a good laugh, but u cant even play it in the car, cuz ppl will think ur listening to goyishe music.....

[roza]

roza, are you implying that its goyishe music??

rock, hard rock, rock'n'roll music was invented by goim.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

does that mean that this music is goyish? yes or no? i dont want to imply something which i think is wrong!!

and what was the quote for?

[roza]

yes

[BaisHamikdashBa]

so if someone would sing ani maamim in rock n roll it would be goyish? interesting!!

[roza]

is it news for you that all this music is goish, but only the words are jewish? nu, nu...

[roza]

we talking about the music here, not the words.

it is better to listen to ani mamin rock'n' roll then to the one with not jewish content (obviously). just don't claim that the music is jewish. that's all

[BaisHamikdashBa]

i dont think any one besides you would got the extreme and say ani maamim in rock n roll is not jewish!

shlock rock=goyish,
piamentas music= goyish,
yehuda glanz= goyish,
blue fringe= goyish.

the name of the CD and the content don't really go together and it's very misleading.
if they would just call it another name - then i guess there would be less complains and it would be just another "shlock rock"... but those guys are claiming to GO CHASSIDISH


i do see a place for such music on the market but the way they position themselves - dose of chassidic rock for general chassidic crowd - is not right and confusing.


you yourslef said this!!! u said it would be fine with another name!!

[CHdish]

it seems to me this is all about being chasidish, and not about being jewish.

[roza]

please separate the music and the lyrics:

in this "going chassidish" CD: music is goish and the lyrics are not chassidish, but jewish.

in all others that you brought: the music is goish, and the lyrics are jewish (not all of them chassidish) [don't know about "blue fridge" though-how jewish are their lyrics- did not really listen to them]

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Yup!

[stwill]

Roza, Jewish music throughout all generations has always been somewhat similar to that of the surrounding Goyim.
E.g. Sefardic music is similar to (Lehavdil) Arabic music.
Yekkishe tunes are similar to (Lehavdil) German songs.
Even Lubavitcher Niggunim are similar in style to (lehavdil) old Russian compositions. (I once happened to hear a Russian orchestra playing Russian classical music. You wouldn't believe how familiar some of the tnuos sounded!)

Nevertheless, you would surely not say they are all non-Jewish music (CH"V).

My personal answer to CHdish is as follows: Jewish music is music composed (or in some cases adopted) by Jews with the purpose of expressing Jewish Torah values.

BTW, for the Rebbe's opinion on "adopting" non Jewish tunes, see this post (http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&postid=52334&highlight=tunes#post52334)

[BaisHamikdashBa]

the french national anthem which is now a lubavitche nigun!!

[n'eNow770]

You know what?
I heard something interesting, tell me what u all think...
I was told that ALL music began at the Bais Hamikdash...Now then as a Lubavitcher, we know more then anyone else, that each place u find tumah, u can find kdushah, thus, by them taking this goyishe sounding music, and putting "Jewish" lyrics, in a sense they're Mikariving it no?

[CHdish]

Roza, Jewish music throughout all generations has always been somewhat similar to that of the surrounding Goyim.

great point!

Jewish music is music composed (or in some cases adopted) by Jews with the purpose of expressing Jewish Torah values.

and that would make goin chasidish...

[BaisHamikdashBa]

but.. most of these poeple who sing songs the problem is that they change only 2 words... and the rest is goyishe music

[CHdish]

some us them yes, most of them, i dont know.

also does anyonw know if the tunes from goin C were taken from somewhere else or those are original songs

[stwill]

and that would make goin chasidish...
I wouldn't call it Goyish.

Nevertheless, I personally wouldn't call it appropriate for mainstream Lubavitchers either. ;)

[n'eNow770]

Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa
but.. most of these poeple who sing songs the problem is that they change only 2 words... and the rest is goyishe music

But that is NOT the case with "goinchassidish"
bcuz they didnt take already existing songs.... its all new, just the STYLE seems goyishe, but as already said.... most Jewish music has followed that style...

[BaisHamikdashBa]

thats what i was saying....

[n'eNow770]

I'm glad we agree, lol.. its nice to get along isnt it... i feel like we're totally "goinchassidish" lol lame pun intended

[LION]

I do not plan on getting into the "Goin' Chassidish " cd again...

Originally posted by n'eNow770
You know what?
I heard something interesting, tell me what u all think...
I was told that ALL music began at the Bais Hamikdash...Now then as a Lubavitcher, we know more then anyone else, that each place u find tumah, u can find kdushah, thus, by them taking this goyishe sounding music, and putting "Jewish" lyrics, in a sense they're Mikariving it no?


But where did you hear that ?! Besides, In Parshas Breishis it already has Music....

[iamachassid]

I've heard that all songs originate in the B"HMK but a lot of them got corrupted and distorted bec. they fell in the wrong places, i.e. goyishe music. There's the story where the besht bought a song from a sheperd who forgot the song and the besht said that the song he bought was originally from the BHMK. It's a beautiful nigun!

[LION]

Let me repeat myself....

In Parshas Breishis you have Music!

So if you want to say that they all originated in the Beis Hamikdash, You are going to have to explain that to me...

[iamachassid]

I never really learned about music so I'm not sure but I meant the songs we have now, not music as a concept

[LION]

All I am asking for is a source.

[n'eNow770]

Ahh.... a source... that would come in handy wouldnt it?
well aint got one of them,lol, sorry, but i shall look it up for u...

[roza]

Originally posted by BaisHamikdashBa
the french national anthem which is now a lubavitche nigun!!

what the creation of nigunim has to do with songs of : shlock rock
piamentas music, yehuda glanz, blue fringe and now "going c"?

are you saying that it's the same as creating 'napoleon marsh'?
is there really no difference? and if there is a difference what is it?

[BaisHamikdashBa]

that just like niggunim came from klipas nogah so to these songs came from klipas noga as someone said above (i just gave an example)

[n'eNow770]

Bais-that makes sense.....
I think GoinC is really good if ur feeling blue, cuz they will sure have u rolling....but be careful cuz they get stuck in ur head.
I started singing it to my father-he just told me to be quiet b4 he gets a head ache-i dont know if he meant the music in general, or just stam my voice.

[iamachassid]

klipas nogah is one thing but to make a song (or anything else) something of kedusha you need a Rebbe or some good, holy experience or person.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

i dont have a problem if it gets stuck in my head. i dont see a problem with the tunes, singers........

[n'eNow770]

There is no problem with it stuck in ur head aside from the fact that when i sing it aloud everyone gets a BIG headache, but like i said that could just be cuz of my voice.... :)
I think that they're 100% fine, they're really funny bochurim, who have done a fantastic job!

[roza]

did you all read this wonderful thread on jewish music?

http://chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=228

[n'eNow770]

That is one looooonnnnnngggggggg thread... how u had the patience to read thru it is a major yasher koach! Good job there! lol :)

[CHdish]

wow that realy is a long thread..........

i think it would be helpfull if after some of these long thread's someone could just write down in short what came out of it, who won which argument, what is right and what is wrong (if anyone ever came to a agreement on a certain matter, if that ever happens :rolleyes: ) or maybe of someone could write a little drasha of what we can learn out of that thread... :cheeky:

oh and just to keep this on topic..
going chasidish i started speakin yiddish
lalaLaLa crash! computer breaks down and monitor screen shatters.
hehehe

[n'eNow770]

Chdish... I totally agree with u!!! So many threads are just tooo long to handle!!! I dont understand ur point at ur last sentences, but whatever makes u happy!! :)

[jewgal84]

Wow I just had a good laugh reading through this forum!

Can't you ppl see, it's basically an argument between teenagers and adults.

Duh, you ppl won't compromise, most things kids, teens enjoy are more or less a headache to adults.

My mother dislikes music period. So whichever music is on she'll find something against it either way.

Same here, whatever teens will agree with, you'll more or less get an argument from the older ones.

PICK YOUR BATTLES!! ( Something I constantly her in my house)!

Is it really worth it to start anything against the new CD Goin C?

What will come out of it.. Nothing.

The kids like it, who cares, they are not going to "Fry out" because of it, so why bother? Is there a major issue that they find something they more or less enjoy?

All tunes are originals ( I know it for a fact).

It originated from camp ( my brother was attending) a few years ago when some bachurim/counselors decided to make lyrics up for fun, ok so they decided to make some money out of it too, but that's not the point.

Are parents really scared no good will come out of it? Lighten up!

I can understand that oyvey, what will the world think of Lubavitch...

But then again WHAT DOES the world think of Lubavitch, we've always been different and everyone out there will always have something to complain about... Ok so now it's music!

Have a wonderful Shabbos!

[n'eNow770]

Wow! NICELY SAID!!!!!!! I suppose that'll be an end to this forum!

[RebYid]

Originally posted by jewgal84

But then again WHAT DOES the world think of Lubavitch, we've always been different and everyone out there will always have something to complain about... Ok so now it's music!


Just brilliant. With this kind of "thinking", you can now permit anything. I think you need to have more contact with chasidisher Yidden.

[jewgal84]

Has doing anything different stop you because someone might say something about it?

I don't want to compare anything, but for ex the whole Mivtzoim thing was a big joke to the worlds eye when the Rebbe first established it.. and now everyone is doing it, it became accepted.

We took the first step into the boiling bath.

It's just simple rock music, lyrics made by our very own Bachurim, trying to reach out to those who have no interest in regular music, where is the sin in that?

[Yankel Nosson]

There are steps up...
There are steps down...
Let's not be naive and say "hey, they're both steps!"

[jewgal84]

You're right, let's not be Naive, rather let's have a straight forward discussion!

What exactly are you implying!

Do you really thing what the Bachurim are doing is wrong-

Or are you looking for something to poke at?

[jewgal84]

From the producer himself:

Although we have been getting lots of support regarding our new album, there are those who feel that such a production is uncalled for. Below was our response to a woman who feels this Cd may not be a good thing for our children...

As far as we are concerned, we believe that the only music a Bochur or teenager should be listening to is Nichoach and Chabad Nigunim, but unfortunately this is not the case. For whatever reason, such music doesn't appeal to a very large number of our youth.

Our songs on the other hand have proven to make many youth relate to what their teachers and Mashpiim have been preaching to them. In the past our music has made Chassidishkite a fun, cool and accessible thing. Also it has encouraged many kids to stay in the system. No one has ever been mirachek from these songs, aderaba, the opposite is true. Before recording this album we actually sat down with several Mashpiim and had them edit all the lyrics before going into production.

It's not like rock music is something which is only in the black
market and we will be the first ones to introduce such music to these teens. Anyone who has a radio, anyone who uses the internet or goes shopping in the mall has access to such music and the reality is, huge numbers of our children are engaging in such music on a regular basis.

There is nothing wrong with our songs; they are totally original
tunes and all the messages are positive. We all agree that the problem with secular music is when the medley is composed by a Goy, that his energy is transferred through the music. Here all the songs are original compositions and all the messages are positive. Musical "Style" has never been the problem with goyish music; it's the tune of a goy which is the problem. Most Nigunim we sing today are the same "style" as old Russian folk songs. All Sephardic music is the same "style" as Arabic or Middleastern music. Classical Jewish music today is the same "style" as secular music from the 60's.

In fact, I feel confident to say that our music is spiritually healthier to listen to then most "Jewish Music" on the market today. Contrary to popular belief, a large percentage of that music is actually purchased or copied from secular musical sources. I must conclude that this music is definitely the furthest thing from treif.

To address the issue of mainstream frum kids listening to this, I
would agree they should continue listening to Chassidish Nigunim, but such a production is needed for many others. We are not the first group to produce "non-Jewish styled" music (although there really is no such thing as "Jewish Style" music). There are many other artists out there who have been making such music for years (i.e. Piamenta, Moshe Yess, David Lazzar, Dr. Laz, Oif Simchas, etc...).

I am confident that this production will inspire many people in a
positive way.

For more info, or to visit their website go to goinchassidish.com

[n'eNow770]

I totally support them! Dafkah i'd buy their CD-even though i don't necessarily find it the most apealing to my taste-just so they keep it strong! To hear them makes me laugh, yet it instills a pride in my Lubavitchness.......

[roza]

you knwo its so true starting wiht "kosher videos" really lead to a little more here and there...but once you reach a certain level...its just hard..obviously i wouldnt be able to stop in one day bec then it would be like a diet.. ..

the same here with their "chassidishe" music- it's a step into opposite direction. and this thread only proves it.
someone compares them to holy nigunim. (of cause the music written by the guys who dress chassidish must be very holy)
someone compares them to invention of mivtzoim.

but nobody compares " Piamenta, Moshe Yess, David Lazzar, Dr. Laz, Oif Simchas, etc." to nigunim and nobody claims them to be chassidish. they are for outreach. and "going" belongs to the same group of music for a non frum or morden ortho crowd. period.

if you want to listen to this- fine- it's your personal decision. but don't claim them to be a must for all bochurim and girls, that it will make bochurim more chassidish- it will not. it will make them less chassidish maybe. (if i can listen to this- why can't i listen to other rock cds out there)

about the statement from the makers of the "going nowhere".
this is a marketing tool- they market their cd as "going chassidish" (otherwise lubavitchers will not buy it), they put this photo of someone becoming chassidish in 3 easy steps- but in reality - the cd is on step 1 or 2. But step 3 will not happen. they wish it will...
teens don't have expirience to make a difference b/w what the product is and what it's marketed for. they trust the guys and beleive every word they say.

[Torah613]

Originally posted by n'eNow770
I totally support them! Dafkah i'd buy their CD-even though i don't necessarily find it the most apealing to my taste-just so they keep it strong! To hear them makes me laugh, yet it instills a pride in my Lubavitchness....... Having read some of the lyrics, I fail to see how "pride in my Lubavitchness" will come as a result. Must be a result of being over 16...

[RebYid]

No, it's a result of you receiving a proper Chasidisher chinuch, in the old days when people believed that "cool" was the antithesis of Chasidish.

[Torah613]

I didn't recieve an answer to this question yet: In which yeshiva did these "composers" "learn"?

[Torah613]

Originally posted by jewgal84
I don't want to compare anything, but for ex the whole Mivtzoim thing was a big joke to the worlds eye when the Rebbe first established it.. and now everyone is doing it, it became accepted.

We took the first step into the boiling bath.

Do you really thing what the Bachurim are doing is wrong-

Or are you looking for something to poke at? The comparison to mivtzoim boggles the mind ... must be my sheltered upbringing...
I most definitely think it is wrong - yiras shomayim will not be increased by this music.

[jewgal84]

Or decrease?

[jewgal84]

We're Goin' in Circles...

Like I mentioned earlier:

Diff ppl...have diff minds... with diff opinions...!

To each their own.

[Nechama]

I have bochurim here, tmimiusdike boys, and they love the cd. Of course they've never listened to goyishe music, so this is new and exciting.
Having young teens I'M happy there is an alternative to introduce BEFORE they get into goyishe stuff.

[Nechama]

Regarding the music. There is a chasidishe story about a the Besht 'purchasing' a song from a goy - it was one of the tunes from the bais hamikdosh - sound familiar?
And what about Napolean's March?!
This is original music on this cd, not koshered up goyishe songs. As an alternative for Day School kids, or kids on shlichus where the local kids are listening to goyishe music, here is a cd they can introduce and know will be 'somewhat' cool ;-)

[Yankel Nosson]

Originally posted by jewgal84
Or decrease?
If there was some to start with, it could decrease. In the same way the skin on the foot becomes calloused.

IMHO

[roza]

And what about Napolean's March?!

what about it?

As an alternative for Day School kids, or kids on shlichus where the local kids are listening to goyishe music, here is a cd they can introduce

I agree with this.

[Torah613]

Soon there will be a psak from a Rov permitting listening to this music during the 3 weeks/9 days in our camps, being the ultimate in chassidishkeit and mivtzoim...
Nechama - you wrote "I have bochurim here, tmimiusdike boys, and they love the cd. Of course they've never listened to goyishe music, so this is new and exciting. Having young teens I'M happy there is an alternative to introduce BEFORE they get into goyishe stuff."
I fear you are introducing them to a type of music that they never have heard or enjoyed before, and may just increase their appetite for more - regardless of the lyrics.
Better to keep their tmimus intact.
Feel free to disagree, but don't say later you were not warned...

[Torah613]

Originally posted by Nechama
Regarding the music. There is a chasidishe story about a the Besht 'purchasing' a song from a goy - it was one of the tunes from the bais hamikdosh - sound familiar? Oh - I didn't realize this was the "beat" played in the Bais Hamikdash. My mistake.

[Bittul]

Originally posted by jewgal84
We're Goin' in Circles...

Like I mentioned earlier:

Diff ppl...have diff minds... with diff opinions...!

To each their own.
Very wrong - when the opinion contradicts statements of our Rebbeim - in this case, very explicit ones.

[stwill]

Bittul - can you please quote those very explicit statements of the Rebbeim about Jewish rock music?

[Nechama]

quote:
Originally posted by Nechama
Regarding the music. There is a chasidishe story about a the Besht 'purchasing' a song from a goy - it was one of the tunes from the bais hamikdosh - sound familiar?
Oh - I didn't realize this was the "beat" played in the Bais Hamikdash. My mistake

It's the idea of borrowing music - every era, every culture has different music styles, I didn't realize that having a good beat made it a problem, I thought the idea that it was 'borrowed' from goyishe music was the problem.


I fear you are introducing them to a type of music that they never have heard or enjoyed before, and may just increase their appetite for more - regardless of the lyrics.
Better to keep their tmimus intact

The bochurim are counselors, they are the ones who told me about the Goin'Chassidish cd in the first place, my young teen son asked me yesterday (nothing is a coincidence) "if the music has clean lyrics can I start listening to goyishe music" Obviously I would like to introduce clean JEWISH music and the 'beat' is important to him. He listens now to nichoach and Yossi Karduner and a chassidishe rock mix my brother made (like 'ye'hay'). But is expressing an interest in 'outside' music. I'm glad I can nip it in the bud. We have little to choose from in our home, modern music-wise.

And what about Napolean's March?!
what about it?

It's goyishe music. Old yes, but goyishe music none-the-less. And 'we' co-opted it.
What about that. Does it say something to you?

[Bittul]

I can't quote them, as I don't have the Sefer here, but they are in the introduction to Sefer Hanigunim.

Nechamah, your premise is mistaken. Only those to whom the Rebbeim gave special permission were allowed to transform Goyishe songs.

[Torah613]

Nechama - reread your post; and you will see that you are basically proving my point (also - in the future write in a clearer way, making clear what you are quoting and what you are saying).

[jewgal84]

Nechamah, your premise is mistaken. Only those to whom the Rebbeim gave special permission were allowed to transform Goyishe songs.

That's where I open my mouth again; they (GC) are not transforming anything, all their lyrics and tunes were made up!

[Torah613]

And my open mouth says, that in this case, it makes no difference.

[shmush]

It's goyishe music. Old yes, but goyishe music none-the-less. And 'we' co-opted it

That's exactly where you're wrong - WE didn't, the Rebbe did. Music has a very strong spiritual power and a Rebbe is the only person who can transform and elevate non-jewish music.

[jewgal84]

And my open mouth says, that in this case, it makes no difference.

Then let me ask you a q' :

What makes it right for you to be on the internet, isn't bad?
Aren't we copying the ways of the goyim?

Who are we to transfer something invented by the goyim and make it Jewish?

So it's a site made by chabad ppl, does it make it right?
Is it still acceptable?

Do you really think this site is a way to attract ppl closer to Yiddishkeit?

* * * * *

Don't pick and choose-

Be realistic!

Unfortunely today, we are in a lower generation.

B"H today, we have many talented ppl who have come up with great ideas to strenghen Judiasm to others, be it internet or music!

[Torah613]

Yeah, and why are we using electricity, driving cars etc. Excellent point!

[jewgal84]

You just strengthened my point!

Who gave you a right to bash some ppl, when we've been doing it for over hundreds of years.

It's not something new!

Why all of a sudden are you so quick to "run them over" ?

[BaisHamikdashBa]

nechama, the rock n roll has already been introduced! piamenta, david lazar, .... so its just another one (with new tunes and lyrics)

[AhavasYisrael]

I know the producer of Goin' Chassidish.

He learned in a very chassidishe yeshiva and has been closely involved in shlichus practically all his life. He's done travelling theaters for mivtzoim purposes and has been a counselor in camp.

The producer of Goin' Chassidish put out his CD based on a lot of success. As posted many times earlier, the songs are original compositions, NOT taken from goyishe music and as in history in every culture, Jewish music has imitated the style of the goyishe music in that time.

When you're in chinuch, you look for things that worked well in the past and use it again. This is certainly the case regarding Goin' Chassidish. I was a teacher this past year in a mesivta that had some boys who have been exposed to a lot of what's out there. They had pre-published copies of some of the songs on the CD and they enjoyed listening to it.

I think listening to songs about Goin' Chassidish sure beats songs about intimacy, violence and drugs. And I hope this bochur keeps up his good work.

[RebYid]

Originally posted by AhavasYisrael
I know the producer of Goin' Chassidish.

He learned in a very chassidishe yeshiva and has been closely involved in shlichus practically all his life.

Maybe this is the problem: "involved in shlichus practically all his life". Is this a GOOD thing??

Shoudn't people be protected from the outside world until they are READY for shlichus?

[AhavasYisrael]

First of all, I don't seem to see the "problem."

Regarding bochurim being involved in shlichus when they're young, the Rebbe took that responsibility on himself personally when he sent people out on shlichus. I've seen many bochurim growing up on shlichus who came out far more chassidish than others due to the Rebbe's brachos.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Hes a shliachs SON!!!

and what does this have to do with being protected from the outside world!

[AhavasYisrael]

what?

[RebYid]

And shluchim's children do NOT have to be protected from the outside world??? Are you serious?

What does it have to do with it you ask? Lets start with imbibing foreign influences, and continue from there.

[AhavasYisrael]

You people are so funny, I'm debating whether I should even bother to reply.

There is nothing wrong with what this bochur is doing. Read my post again. And if you still don't get it, read it again. He is doing what he sees works. It has nothing to do with outside influences besides the fact that he is helping kids who've already been influenced by it.

I think this will be my last post on this topic.

[Torah613]

And my last post (BL"N) on the topic is (for those that are following and understanding what I wrote on this topic): IMVHO, some of the lyrics are chazir treif and will not bring anyone to increase yiras shomayim. What has been accomplished is, that a certain type of music will become kosher by some that otherwise would never have listened to that type of music (as attested to by someone before), which may eventually bring them to listen to "authentic" rap/ rock and roll etc. - types of music which anyone with a bit of hergesh will (or should) know is not conducive for yiras shomayim.
(I am not discussing whether it is appropiate for "mekurovim", day school kids etc. - though in my opinion some of the lyrics are not appropiate for anyone).
Ahavas Yisroel - which very chassidishe yeshiva was that?

[stwill]

Only those to whom the Rebbeim gave special permission were allowed to transform Goyishe songs.

a Rebbe is the only person who can transform and elevate non-jewish music.

If you read this post (http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&postid=52334&highlight=tunes#post52334) you will see that that that does not seem to be the Rebbe's opinion.

In any case, GC is a different Inyan completely, being that the music is composed by the Bochurim, it's just that the style is Goyish.

I do, however agree with the posters who feel that for kids who up until now listened only to regular Jewish music, it's a step in the wrong direction.

A step is a step, but two people can be standing on the same step, each going in the opposite direction.

[jewgal84]

Maybe this is the problem: "involved in shlichus practically all his life". Is this a GOOD thing??

Problem? If anything it's a solution.

It definately is a good thing for a shliachs son or daughter to get the experiance, after all they are raised in a "growing" community, they do have to understand what their parents are doing.

Shoudn't people be protected from the outside world until they are READY for shlichus?

And when is someone "ready" ??? :rolleyes:

Even the elder Shluchim have to be protected from the outside world!? :errm:

[Bittul]

st, Simon Jacobson is BH not the Rebbe, nor anywhere close, and his opinions do not represent the Rebbe. I'm stating this very, very mildly.

jewgal, there is a lot of wishful thinking going on here. Yes, even the eldest of Shluchim need to protect themself - and that's the key. They can protect themself, or their friends may help them. Teenagers cannot protect themself. Take the most chasidishe bochur or girl and put them in a slightly tempting situation or simply take them out of Yeshivah or school, and they need protection. Age and experience give more conviction. Just because someone has made the decision to lead a Chasidishe life does not mean that it will be automatic in every given situation.

Let me put it this way: How many good Bochurim are there who while in yeshivah will use most of there time wisely in learning, yet while on vacation a much smaller percentage actually sits and learns? How many will dress differently in camp, and not always in proportion to the campers' excitement? How many chadishe girls, what percentage, will occasionally pick up a book lying around, or even watch a movie - a clean one?

It's simple - the conviction is weakened under certain situations, and protection is needed.

You are still at a point in your life where you would like to see the world through rosy glasses. You're forgetting one thing - according to Chasidus, only Elokus can be viewed with rosy glasses. The world is evil and difficult. (maaseh olam hazeh kasheh urshoim govrim bo.) In Tomchei Tmimim, anyone who had read a secular book was expelled immediately - no questions asked. There was no question of using them out for the good - because some things have no good, at least for us.

[Bittul]

Originally posted by AhavasYisrael
I know the producer of Goin' Chassidish.

as in history in every culture, Jewish music has imitated the style of the goyishe music in that time.

I think listening to songs about Goin' Chassidish sure beats songs about intimacy, violence and drugs. And I hope this bochur keeps up his good work.

Perhaps your knowing him makes you incompetent to judge. Particularly based on your last statement. Who are you to judge what influence a song will have?

I'd sure like to know where in the world you get the idea that Jewish music imitates styles around it?!

The bottom line is, he's releasing something controversial to the public. Where is the list of mashpiim and chasidishe rabonim who heard the entire cd and approved of its release?

And to add to the avlah, why involve chasidus in the title? Megama kept Chasidus out of their marketing. Dr. Laz did as well. Every other performer does the same. Why pervert Chasidus to be used in your title?! Call it Goin Jewish, and leave me and the thousands of other chasidim who consider this cd despicable out of it!

[stwill]

st, Simon Jacobson is BH not the Rebbe, nor anywhere close, and his opinions do not represent the Rebbe. I'm stating this very, very mildly.

:D I'm well aware of that! That's not the post I was referring to.

I meant this:I heard this first-hand from a person who asked the Rebbe in Yechidus if it is permissible to take non-Jewish tunes and put Jewish words to them. (What used to be very common in camp songs etc.)

The Rebbe's answer (approximate lashon):

Tunes that are "neutral" can be elevated to Kedushah. But tunes that were used for "Pritzus" [and the Rebbe added the English translation "indecency"] should not be used for Kedushah.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

i didnt mean that shluchim / kids dont need protection!

someone said that he maybe shouldnt have been doing so much shlichus... so i said it wasnt up to him he was born into it!

[Bittul]

Originally posted by stwill
:D I'm well aware of that! That's not the post I was referring to.
I meant this:
Now that gives a large sigh of relief. You had me worried for a minute there :cross-eye .
The problem with that answer is that A) it's to a specific person, B) memories are hazy at best, C) when an entire genre (such as rock n roll) is pritzus, then what the Rebbe says about tunes may apply to the entire genre.

On top of all that, I truly hold their disclaimer that they borrow nothing from actual rock tunes for their songs. They may not even realize it, or it may be disingenious, but I'm sure at least parts of songs are taken from elsewhere.

[mordechai7215]

Originally posted by jewgal84

What makes it right for you to be on the internet, isn't bad?
Aren't we copying the ways of the goyim?

Who are we to transfer something invented by the goyim and make it Jewish?


Jewgal, you're confusing a General Medium with a specific way of expressing one's self with in the said Medium.
L'mushel, Music is a Medium, Yidden use music in their Avoidah
But Goyishe Music is a way of expressing one's self in the medium of Music which is not appropriate for us.

A shirt is an article of clothing, a Yid can wear a nice shirt L'kovod Shabbos.
But a shirt that has Goyishe inyunim on it is not for a yid.
V'kal L'havin.

[jewgal84]

I'm not sure I understand you, Mordechai7215.

[hishtatchus]

If I understand Mordechai properly, there are two separate issues here: the Klal (general) and Prat (specific).

The general idea of music is fine and Kosher, but the specific Goyishe music style is problematic.

It's ridiculous to say that books are treif, but not ridiculous to say that romance novels, even "Jewish" ones, are entirely inappropriate.

(This is not necessarily my opinion, this is a clarification.)

[jewgal84]

Thanx Hish,

So now we are back to picking and choosing of what's allowed or appropriate.

[mordechai7215]

That's almost what I wanted . . .

[roza]

Originally posted by jewgal84
Thanx Hish,

So now we are back to picking and choosing of what's allowed or appropriate.

...and what's chassidish.

[hishtatchus]

Mordechai7215 replies:
That's almost what I wanted . . .
What exactly did you want?

[jewgal84]

...and what's chassidish.

What is Chassidish?

[jewgal84]

Roza- you never did answer my question.

* * * * *
Everyone defines "chassidish" differently.

Sometimes it's more important to focus on being "frum" before being "chassidish"!

In any case everyone will and always have their different opinions so I was just focusing on the fact that sometimes it just doesn't pay to always start an arguement, and learning how to pick our battles.

I honestly and wholeheartly think that this new Cd "Goin C" will not cause boys and girls to go off the derech, so why bother dissing it!?

[mordechai7215]

Originally posted by hishtatchus

What exactly did you want?
Everything besdies the second to last line. (ie the one before the ())

[Yankel Nosson]

Originally posted by jewgal84
Everyone defines "chassidish" differently.

Sometimes it's more important to focus on being "frum" before being "chassidish"!

Discussed: http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=2207

[jewgal84]

Ok...nice thread...?

I don't get your intention of posting it?

* * * * *
I know the difference between being frum and chassidish, I was just pointing out the fact of why ppl always find something to disagree with, it's not the end of the world that the CD of "Goin C" came out.

You see it's almost forgotten already.. it's just a shtick that ppl have that whenever something new or different comes out there always has to be an arguement!

[roza]

"let it be" (c)

[jewgal84]

:classic:

[Nechama]

There is a suggestion here, probably valid, that 'styles' of music are what makes the difference.
If a music 'style' is designed to get a person shaking their body inappropriately then the music is probably inappropriate. If the music is designed to heighten sexuality then the music is definitely inappropriate. If the music is designed to heighten spirituality.......

[n'eNow770]

Originally posted by jewgal84
it's just a shtick that ppl have that whenever something new or different comes out there always has to be an arguement!

That's depressing....

[Ben Torah]

ALthough I have not heard this new tape, I would like to make a general comment.

While I hear the points being made speaking out against our tendencies to be "skeptics", it should be noted that this is what keeps klal yisrael safe. In a way it is good to be wary of new and modern invention. Because there are so many things out there that are against our values, we need to really inspect things before deciding that they are appropriate.

Is everything treif? absloutely not...but there is plenty that is, and we would be wise to have a skeptical attitude before being absolutely sure that these "new" innovations are kosher.

[BrookAve]

It is a spoof. Chill out. If it was my "farbie", I would have 8 bags of potato chips, 3 bottles of Absolut and 3 bottles of Belvedere. Tam Tams YES, many boxes of those!

[shoyn]

brook, what happened, did you run out of food that you suddenly surfaced?

[BrookAve]

Ran out of garlic tam tams. Had to come back and farbreng. Btw, shmaltz herring is yummy on top.

[n'eNow770]

Originally posted by BrookAve
If it was my "farbie", I would have 3 bottles of Absolut and 3 bottles of Belvedere.

Absolut?! Naaaaaaaah, the BEST is Grey Goose! :silly: (Or so my father and Rabbi say....)

[BrookAve]

The goose does give me wings, this is true. But that belvedere goes down smooth. Try it, never disappointed me. Great bottle too!

[Bittul]

Ah, a fan of Belvedere! Your good taste just keeps on growing with every hiccup!

[n'eNow770]

As an end of the year gift my friend and i bought my Halacha rebbe vodka... A bottle of grey goose, absolute, smirnof(gross), and blue sky! He was soooooo happy!!!! I guess we'll give him belvedere next time!

[dan]

hey
i think the new cd is really awesome !
obviously he had to keep it in the chassidish boundaries but he really did a good job for entertaining music.
great to listen to.

[dan]

definatley go with the grey goose.
goes down really smoothly
also not too heavy on the hangovers if somehow you go over the limit.

[zaque36]

brookave, u really amaze me. u never tire of this food stuff, do you? i can just imagine that ur some ol tired skinny prisoner who hasn't see the light of day (or night) in months and can only dream of food.

[BrookAve]

When we did over the kitchen, we put in certain things that we enjoyed. A wok station that you may find in a chinese restaraunt, a rotiserie and a grill. We all cook our favorites and perhaps became comfortable with gourmet meals. No skinny prisoners here!

[n'eNow770]

Hmm... Sounds like fun-I'd like to cook in a kitchen like that... perhaps while playing one of the kookiest tapes-GOIN CHASSDISH!

[BrookAve]

My 6 year old started to throw paper plates around the kitchen after the agent emes tapes. Thanks Epstein!, at least she didnt chuck the china.

[n'eNow770]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's adorable... but u c what "epstein" does?!

[Bittul]

To paraphrase the Rebbe Rashab: Mdarf nemen a goin chasidish cd, einviklen in an agent emes video, un farbrenen mit a gele degel...

[n'eNow770]

Very cute...Rather "creative" aproach, i think...

[jewgal84]

Tzu moisef zain, mdarf nemen a "mikky dip" :cheesy:

[n'eNow770]

I was just on the goinchassidish site... I gta say that i love their music... very talented!

[jewgal84]

Yup, they really are talented, but why don't you buy a CD, give them some money, it's 14 USD and you can order it online, the lyrics are fun to read when the music is playing!

[n'eNow770]

lol, i know, i was just saying today that i'm IY"H gna buy their CD... Lol

[Bittul]

I feel bad for you... Or rather, your neshamah.

[lambda]

Dovid Lazzar has more musical talent than these guys!

[n'eNow770]

You feel bad for me or my neshamah??? Chalilah!!! How can you dare to speak in such a derech of sinas chinam? I'm disgusted...

[zaque36]

sinas chinam?

[KolB'Seder]

more like ahavas chinam

[n'eNow770]

Oh my... Hashem Yishmor! (amen!)

[Nechama]

Farbreng all night!!

[n'eNow770]

Right on!

[lambda]

Look at their album cover:

http://www.goinchassidish.com/cdcd.jpg

How come the guy is wearing the same shoes at every stage of his 'evolution'? Why can't the freid-out guitarist on the left get some sneakers? No wonder he became Chassidish. He needed some matching clothes!

[KolB'Seder]

"I'm a yesh"naw, me?chas vsholom

[n'eNow770]

I love that one!

[jewgal84]

I wonder, aside from the critics here at Chabadtalk, are there any Rabbanim who disagree with the whole "Goin C" CD?

I haven't seen any psak ruling by any Rav or anything posted in public opposing the CD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Until then, I still don't think it's right or fair to put the group and their ideas down.

[Bittul]

Lubavitch has never needed Rabbonim to pasken or public announcements to have the proper hergesh for what is right and wrong. In fact, when public announcements are made, it is often the best proof that the particular cause has been lost.

[RebYid]

What do you mean by Lubavitch? ;)

[Torah613]

I haven't seen a "ruling" (if a ruling applies to this issue at all) supporting it either, so what does it show?
For that matter, I haven't seen a ruling about wearing jackets in wild psychedelic colours in 770. Therefore it makes it chassidish?

[RebLazer]

I am sure that it has occured to more than one person that the very title, "Goin' Chasidish" is an oxymoron, which exposes the inanity of its bizarre and barren attempt at synthesizing the crazy and the classic.

[n'eNow770]

Thats the point! It's supposed to be an oxymoron, its not suppossed to be so deep and thought into!!!! Its just a really fun hoax, that is adorable! Its not trying to be something its not... Its just a fun album! Have you seen them preform? They crack up the whole time... It's meant for fun... If you don't like the humor, then don't listen, but if you can appreciate the humor, then by all means carpe di'em!
It's not something that will make kids frye, etc... so just let it go....

[RebLazer]

Originally posted by n'eNow770
Its just a really fun hoax, that is adorable! Its not trying to be something its not... Its just a fun album! ... It's meant for fun ... If you don't like the humor , then don't listen, but if you can appreciate the humor , then by all means carpe di'em!
It's not something that will make kids frye, etc... so just let it go....
I think I understand now.
1.If it is fun, it must be kosher--glatt kosher no doubt--Chasidishe shechita no less.
2. Becoming frye is an instaneous transformation, and to suggest that music can have a subtle but real influence in the slippery slope is absurd.

Thanks for setting me straight; now I can let it go. Whew!

[Torah613]

And if it makes out a farbrengen to be like a frie 'stag party" - now that is really fun, cute and adorable ... and "chassidish"...

[jewgal84]

sounds like a farby is about to happen, who's sponsoring the :lchaim: ?

[Torah613]

and who is doin' the barfin'?

[jewgal84]

On second thought, we girls do not drink, so if you are sponsoring the booz, do not offer us, thank you, as for the barfin please exclude me, thank you!

[roza]

thinking twice is always a good habit-keep it up.

[hishtatchus]

Drinking twice is a bad habit, though, and if you do- please keep it down! :) (I'm not volunteering to clean up the aftermath of this here farby...)

[shadowber]

do you let your kids listen to piamenta? almost every one of their songs are origanaly goyish, including asher boro, kol hamisameach, vichulu. what is the whole problem of goyeshe music? it is the hergesh of the person making the nigun that matters. how do you know what the hergaishim of these guys are the wrong hergaishim? and there songs ARE totally made up. here is the response they have printed up on there website.



"Although we have been getting lots of support regarding our new album, there are those who feel that such a production is uncalled for. Below was our response to a woman who feels this Cd may not be a good thing for our children... As far as we are concerned, we believe that the only music a Bochur or teenager should be listening to is Nichoach and Chabad Nigunim, but unfortunately this is not the case. For whatever reason, such music doesn't appeal to a very large number of our youth. Our songs on the other hand have proven to make many youth relate to what their teachers and Mashpiim have been preaching to them. In the past our music has made Chassidishkite a fun, cool and accessible thing. Also it has encouraged many kids to stay in the system. No one has ever been mirachek from these songs, aderaba, the opposite is true. Before recording this album we actually sat down with several Mashpiim and had them edit all the lyrics before going into production. It's not like rock music is something which is only in the black market and we will be the first ones to introduce such music to these teens. Anyone who has a radio, anyone who uses the internet or goes shopping in the mall has access to such music and the reality is, huge numbers of our children are engaging in such music on a regular basis. There is nothing wrong with our songs; they are totally original tunes and all the messages are positive. We all agree that the problem with secular music is when the medley is composed by a Goy, that his energy is transferred through the music. Here all the songs are original compositions and all the messages are positive. Musical "Style" has never been the problem with goyish music; it's the tune of a goy which is the problem. Most Nigunim we sing today are the same "style" as old Russian folk songs. All Sephardic music is the same "style" as Arabic or Middleastern music. Classical Jewish music today is the same "style" as secular music from the 60's. In fact, I feel confident to say that our music is spiritually healthier to listen to then most "Jewish Music" on the market today. Contrary to popular belief, a large percentage of that music is actually purchased or copied from secular musical sources. I must conclude that this music is definitely the furthest thing from treif. To address the issue of mainstream frum kids listening to this, I would agree they should continue listening to Chassidish Nigunim, but such a production is needed for many others. We are not the first group to produce "non-Jewish styled" music (although there really is no such thing as "Jewish Style" music). There are many other artists out there who have been making such music for years (i.e. Piamenta, Moshe Yess, David Lazzar, Dr. Laz, Oif Simchas, etc...). I am confident that this production will inspire many people in a positive way."

i personally agree with them and i implore those parents who have children who are veering off the derech hayashar (kimuvan they are already listening to goyishe music, and even "schlock rock") to not only allow them to listen, but help them to listen to this!

[azyid]

B"H, I didn't hear about any 'bad' effects from this cd!

And aderaba, although everyone keeps on saying this, it shouldn't be given to yeshiva bochurim, but the bochurim who have gone off the (if I may say) derech for sure should listen!:smile:

[Nissan]

do you let your kids listen to piamenta? almost every one of their songs are origanaly goyish, including asher boro, kol hamisameach, vichulu. what is the whole problem of goyeshe music? it is the hergesh of the person making the nigun that matters. how do you know what the hergaishim of these guys are the wrong hergaishim? and there songs ARE totally made up. here is the response they have printed up on there website.



"Although we have been getting lots of support regarding our new album, there are those who feel that such a production is uncalled for. Below was our response to a woman who feels this Cd may not be a good thing for our children... As far as we are concerned, we believe that the only music a Bochur or teenager should be listening to is Nichoach and Chabad Nigunim, but unfortunately this is not the case. For whatever reason, such music doesn't appeal to a very large number of our youth. Our songs on the other hand have proven to make many youth relate to what their teachers and Mashpiim have been preaching to them. In the past our music has made Chassidishkite a fun, cool and accessible thing. Also it has encouraged many kids to stay in the system. No one has ever been mirachek from these songs, aderaba, the opposite is true. Before recording this album we actually sat down with several Mashpiim and had them edit all the lyrics before going into production. It's not like rock music is something which is only in the black market and we will be the first ones to introduce such music to these teens. Anyone who has a radio, anyone who uses the internet or goes shopping in the mall has access to such music and the reality is, huge numbers of our children are engaging in such music on a regular basis. There is nothing wrong with our songs; they are totally original tunes and all the messages are positive. We all agree that the problem with secular music is when the medley is composed by a Goy, that his energy is transferred through the music. Here all the songs are original compositions and all the messages are positive. Musical "Style" has never been the problem with goyish music; it's the tune of a goy which is the problem. Most Nigunim we sing today are the same "style" as old Russian folk songs. All Sephardic music is the same "style" as Arabic or Middleastern music. Classical Jewish music today is the same "style" as secular music from the 60's. In fact, I feel confident to say that our music is spiritually healthier to listen to then most "Jewish Music" on the market today. Contrary to popular belief, a large percentage of that music is actually purchased or copied from secular musical sources. I must conclude that this music is definitely the furthest thing from treif. To address the issue of mainstream frum kids listening to this, I would agree they should continue listening to Chassidish Nigunim, but such a production is needed for many others. We are not the first group to produce "non-Jewish styled" music (although there really is no such thing as "Jewish Style" music). There are many other artists out there who have been making such music for years (i.e. Piamenta, Moshe Yess, David Lazzar, Dr. Laz, Oif Simchas, etc...). I am confident that this production will inspire many people in a positive way."

i personally agree with them and i implore those parents who have children who are veering off the derech hayashar (kimuvan they are already listening to goyishe music, and even "schlock rock") to not only allow them to listen, but help them to listen to this!
Wow, I would agree with all that if their music was actually good. They have fun lyrics but the tunes are not so good.

[Torah613]

I have an idea: To listen to the cd while at a baseball game....

[RebYid]

......while wearing the trademark Lubavitch T shirt.

[Torah613]

...and jeans...:);)

[Nissan]

I have an idea: To listen to the cd while at a baseball game....Yeah really, the games I have been to lately have been really boring and stretched out. ;)

[Nissan]

......while wearing the trademark Lubavitch T shirt.Where can you buy this? Or are you suggesting I make one?

[Nissan]

...and jeans...:);)Are you implying that someone who goes to a baseball game automatically wears jeans? (I am having a hard time figuring out your logic pattern) As for me, I have never worn jeans in my life!

[hishdadlus]

i think goin chassidish is all cute and everything but im sorry the part were they sing "what can i do i am a s-----ag' was discsuting and loshon hara about non lubavs other than that its cute.

[Nissan]

i think goin chassidish is all cute and everything but im sorry the part were they sing "what can i do i am a s-----ag' was discsuting and loshon hara about non lubavs other than that its cute.Well, I think it was supposed to be inside humor, but yeah it was a little weird...

[Nechama]

Anyone listen to Matisyahu? I have dial up and my computer won't buffer it properly :-(
You can hear clips at JDUB. http://www.jdubrecords.org/

[hishdadlus]

yea i heard him hes awesome its like jamacian rap lol

[Torah613]

Are you implying that someone who goes to a baseball game automatically wears jeans? (I am having a hard time figuring out your logic pattern) As for me, I have never worn jeans in my life!
It was a joke (by crossing another thread).
As to my logic pattern ... nu nu...

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Anyone listen to Matisyahu? I have dial up and my computer won't buffer it properly :-(
You can hear clips at JDUB. http://www.jdubrecords.org/
i think ee was by the telethone.

[Nissan]

Anyone listen to Matisyahu? I have dial up and my computer won't buffer it properly :-(
You can hear clips at JDUB. http://www.jdubrecords.org/Nechama, check out http://www.hasidicreggae.com/music.php . There it's not streaming audio, they are simply mp3's. Right-click on the link to download and watch the progress. ;)

[Nechama]

yea i heard him hes awesome its like jamacian rap lol
Actually THAT is exactly what 'dub' reggae IS. (There are different kinds of reggae.)

[hishdadlus]

well i guess it sounds like dub reggae lol

[Ferd]

sounds like a farby is about to happen, who's sponsoring the :lchaim: ?
Foaming Mashke???????????????????

u meen something like this:vodka:

and for the "other" types of buchurim maybe this:rox:

untill you are this:ct-freak: and then you do this:eek: (chas vesholom....)

(and as far as the clinking of the glass's thing is: "Us" jews dont dring vodka insted we say lechaim :twolchai: (just kidding)

[kazatzkeh]

It's much better then "the Chevrah" whose albums are more goyish than goyishe music. at least "Goin' Chasidish" has some toichen, "the Chevrah" with their fargoyishte sound, are metame more kids then this album. the "Goin' Chasidish" album reminds me of the JEP albums i listened to as a kid.

[Bittul]

Then you've got a baaaaaad memory.

[jewgal84]

Matisyahu's music is pretty neat, I've heared him play recently at a program in Manhattan sponsored by Chabad of West Manhattan and then later at Manhattan Seaport. He also played currently during Simchas Bes Hashoeiva (privately) which was strictly for males, my brothers loved it!

[Nissan]

It's much better then "the Chevrah" whose albums are more goyish than goyishe music. at least "Goin' Chasidish" has some toichen, "the Chevrah" with their fargoyishte sound, are metame more kids then this album. the "Goin' Chasidish" album reminds me of the JEP albums i listened to as a kid.Well excuse me, I think those girls have wonderful voices! ;)

[jewgal84]

If they sound like girls, is there a problem of Kol Isha :rolleyes: J/K

[Nissan]

If they sound like girls, is there a problem of Kol Isha :rolleyes: J/K:surprise:, Thank G-d I haven't listened to them since before Yom Kippur! (:D)

[Gevurah]

On JM in the AM this morning I barely could hear due to reception but it was someone singing in English about the Maccabees to the tune of the Rosh Chodesh Kislev niggun done very drum and flute to say the least.
Who is this?

[Nissan]

Was it towards the beginning or the end?
(This is today's archived file: http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=13461 , It uses RealPlayer)

[Gevurah]

I cannot listen online....it was about 6:15 +/- 5 minutes or so maybe...i.e. early beginning

[Aaronke]

I think the Etzem idea is alright, though they didn't spend enough time it seems, perfecting every detail.

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Not again..... JK

[Aaronke]

I say it's good for some and not for others.

[unowho]

love this thread...;) hahaha.meanwhile ive never even heard the going chassidish album!!

[Aaronke]

love this thread... hahaha.meanwhile ive never even heard the going chassidish album!!

go to www.goinchassidish.com and view the guest book there. You will find the most diverse comments ever!

[Majorthinker]

This thing with the Chabad album is a major nebach, but if that's what's necessary, then so be it. With that in mind, the question is if it is really necessary, because if it's not, it's a major chilull. Also, I have a problem with giving someone else soething that you wouldn't use yourself, and this is basically the same idea.

[Bittul]

I would believe it's necessary when I see the list of Mashpi'im who have declared it so. The decisions of a bunch of bochurim are worthless in and of itself.

[Majorthinker]

Not worthless, necessarily, but they don't hold water HERE.

[Aaronke]

I think that if all they did was take out the part that makes fun of "snags" then it would be a whole diffirent story!

[Hiskashrus]

iv'e heard the album - i'm more at war with the messages expressed in the songs than the song style itself. the messages in the songs aren't that fundamental and depict chitzonius and high-in-the-sky concepts.

[Aaronke]

I actualy have a friend that is a big air conditioner WHOOPS I mean a fan of this cd and his uncle who is a rav told him that the Rabbanim might put it in cherem since it's rocky!!

[Hiskashrus]

iv'e also got such an uncle... (well... he's not alive anymore) he wasn't lubavitch.... is your uncle lubavitch?

[Aaronke]

iv'e also got such an uncle... (well... he's not alive anymore) he wasn't lubavitch.... is your uncle lubavitch?

Absolutely, totaly, indeed!!!

[Hiskashrus]

i hope he doesn't see this.. but i think that his uncle's view is not lubavitch-esque - to say the least. does he reside in Israel?

(i make sure to only know about the meikilim - that way 'Most opinions' have a different meaning by me [JK])

[Aaronke]

Actualy, this uncles lives in the US. Also, I saw quite a few comments on their guestbook that imply that all this cd will do is fry people out!

[Hiskashrus]

in a certain sense i don't think this CD is bringing anybody closer to chassidishkeit and is badly composed (the latter is just my taste).

i don't know if this is true but i heard that the klausenberger threw a lipa schmeltzer cd on the floor... and that's interesting. his songs are more jewish and the points brought out in his songs are much better (did you hear the one with the coffee?) i actually love listening to him, but youv'e gotta be fluent in that type of yiddish (deep polish)

[Aaronke]

Here is a glance of some of the comments posted in their guest book:

Entry #: 278
Date: 2005-03-16 16:07:30

Name: english girl
Comments: your ppl r the coolest gang goin keep up the rock'n'roll man!!


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Entry #: 277
Date: 2005-03-14 14:31:00

Name: mendy
Comments: have you heard the Mattisyahu cd that came out? All shluchim support him thay bring him down to make concerts and everyone in chabad is raving about him. now dont get me wrong i like thecd but my question is why is he so good but goin chassidish is GOYISH? his music is reggae he makes clear reference to goyishe artists on public television yet everyone supports him and bashes goin chassidish . is it because he is a bt? b/c he is on cnn? why is he allowed to play hiss music in the bbking etc. ansd shluchim welcome him w/ open arms publicisize the matter but goin chassidish is a disgrace to chabad. will someone PLEASE explainthis to me. Rapps pass this message on i want to see what ppls response are
Admin Reply: You ask a good question regarding matisyahu...
First of all Matisyahu also gets allot of negative feedback...
Second, Goin Chassidish gets many calls all the time from shluchim to preform in chabad houses. We turn down most of the offers b/c this band is only a part time thing and we dont have time to go on tour.

But you are right all in all Matisyahu may have more support than Goin Chassidish.

I think the reason may be that Matisyahu's music speaks to non religious people and and goin chassidish speaks to frum teenagers. The problem is that chabad as a whole is very good at reaching not frum people, but when it comes to speaking to our youth many people are clueless... So when someone comes along and is able to speak the lingo most people don't know what to say and they start calling it goyish. The truth is goin chassidish has the same messages which teachers have been telling these kids for years the only difference is we speak the language.

be well.

Avi Raps

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Entry #: 276
Date: 2005-02-28 12:59:33

Name: Yisroel Goodman.manchester,England.
Comments: you guys are brill.I luv songs like soul time and.never lets bing moshiach!!

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Entry #: 275
Date: 2005-02-18 13:36:47

Name: TRUE ESHAPCHA!!!!
Comments: B"H



Yechi Hamelech!!!!!



I believe that if are truly inspiring others to see that there is deeper meaning to your song than just the sound of it than ROCK ON!!! you guys are doign something that all the other blind ones out there don't have the guts to do. Being Jewish and chassidish in itself is a gutsy thing to do now a days in our society. You guy are doing what it truly means "ESHAPCHA" bringing light into the lower worlds so that those on the dark end can start taking of their blindofolds and start realizing the world we live in and ty to make it better!!! m'chail Lechoyil!!! May we merit the true and ultimate redemption NOW!!!


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Entry #: 274
Date: 2005-02-03 12:57:34

Name: yisroel goodman
Comments:

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Entry #: 273
Date: 2005-01-26 19:24:32

Name: YLD
Comments: What's wrong with all those critics? goinchassih is the nicest thing on earth


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Entry #: 272
Date: 2005-01-23 19:44:26

Name: msoehvchaionm
Comments: There was a banner on the top of this page that said "hit the ipod and get a free one" i hit it went thru the whole process and invited 4 friends and NO IPOD! so please AVI can u just send me one instead cuz signed up for a whole buch of trials and other stuff and really want it!
sochyjunk*g*********

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Entry #: 271
Date: 2005-01-16 13:15:05

Name: Ben
Comments: Ask Avrohom to do the table top dinner version of I'm going Chassidish. It's definitely the best one


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Entry #: 270
Date: 2004-12-12 13:15:38

Name: rock on!!
Comments: OK THIS IS FOR # 257-



GET A LIFE!! GET 9 OF THEM!!



WHY ARE U MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF S/T THAT IS SOO COOL AND NO ONE ELSE B4 THOUGHT OF! I THINK THIS IS JUST THE BEST THING THAT COULD COME OFF THE MARKET!



ITS SCARY WAT PPL THINK IS NOT GOOD FOR TEENS AND ALL-BUT U ( DUNNO WHO U ARE-AND DONT WANNA KNOW) HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES-GO GET 'EM FIXED! AND I MEAN NOW!



THIS IS GREAT B'GASHMIUS AND B'RUCHNIUS! AND UR BRO ROX FOR LIKING THIS CD AND SO DOES E/O ELSE!! AVI AND SHMULY-ROCK ON!



OH YEA AND ONE MORE THING AVI-ROCK THOSE PPL AT THE TELETHON TODAY!!



URS TRULY,



A TEEN






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Entry #: 269
Date: 2004-11-26 14:40:53

Name: asking
Comments: Would you do this when we saw the Rebbe **** Huh?! Huh?!

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Date: 2004-11-22 21:11:36

Name: Let down
Comments: Good music! Too bad you had to make fun of other Yidden on the tape and have lyrics like, "cough choke splat someone barfed on the floor" otherwise your cd would rank #1 for any modern Jewish tape Bichlal and any Jewish Rock Bifrat! Better luck next time!

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Entry #: 267
Date: 2004-11-18 17:19:05

Name: someone....
Comments: if any of you are critisizing this cd by saying its non jewish music then you obviously listin to non jewish music to know, right?? well at least im so so pure that i wouldnt even know if its jewish or not!!! stop criticizing everyone-yu woman in crown heights should first look at yourselves your all a bunch of .. so maybe improve yourselves b4 trying to improve everyone else

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Entry #: 266
Date: 2004-11-11 15:50:37

Name: another anonymous
Comments: i just wanna let everyone know how your NEVER song lifts the spirits of a sometimes down 'n out guy.. For sure , the Rebbe would think only good things about this. And so would some others after giving the NEVER song a chance to reach them. THANKYOU!

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Entry #: 265
Date: 2004-11-07 21:06:07

Name: Answering Anoymous
Comments: To anonymous: That's just it! It's good for punks and punks only! Not for any Lubavitcher of Frum Jew!!!



It's a shame that a Lubavitch camp, Bnai Menachem, hosted this rock band! I have a friend that mentioned that the performance had a lot of Letzanus and not to mention the video of "I'm a Yesh"!


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Entry #: 264
Date: 2004-11-05 12:27:06

Name: anonymous
Comments: i just wanna let you guys know i..i teach a group of completely non frum 12 year old boys for hebrew school. theyre punks with big afros, skateboards and all that stuff. i once played your cd for them cuz theyre all into guitar and they ended up LOVING the words. they love your cd i play it every day in hebrew school for them. so now i got a bunch of punk rocking california kids screaming "im goin chassidush!" i told them it means doing more mitzvot, wearing kippah and tzizit, they love it, so thanks!!!

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Entry #: 263
Date: 2004-10-26 20:44:38

Name: no soap radio
Comments: Rock on till you got no soap radio

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Entry #: 262
Date: 2004-10-24 22:27:03

Name: Nossy Drelich
Comments: GOING CHASSIDISH ROCKS BIGTIME BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE REBBE WOULD HAVE SAID ABOUT IT.


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Entry #: 261
Date: 2004-10-22 16:49:13

Name: Why not?!
Comments: Golly. what's so bad if 2 Bachurim sing some songs about some Jewish topics to not such slow tunes?! Chill out critics and focus on our real problems!!!

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Entry #: 260
Date: 2004-10-18 20:51:58

Name: Mendy
Comments: BRAVO !!!

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Entry #: 259
Date: 2004-10-14 19:04:35

Name: radio listeners
Comments: It was amazing to hear the happy to be jewish song GOIN CHASSIDISH 3 xs on the radio so far.! It's the kind of song- and the enthusiasm with the way it is done- that only CLASSICS- like the Moshiach song- are made of. The disc jockey said the he could hear people singing it after they sang out alot of niggunim in succahs all over! It also inspires people to want to learn the Yiddish language. Could you please reply with some information on classes or tapes or books that teach Yiddish.. And by learning the Yiddish language, i think we will be able to learn and understand more Torah too.Thankyou, and G-d bless you guys!

radio listenersComments:It was amazing to hear the happy to be jewish song GOIN CHASSIDISH 3 xs on the radio so far.! It's the kind of song- and the enthusiasm with the way it is done- that only CLASSICS- like the Moshiach song- are made of. The disc jockey said the he could hear people singing it after they sang out alot of niggunim in succahs all over! It also inspires people to want to learn the Yiddish language. Could you please reply with some information on classes or tapes or books that teach Yiddish.. And by learning the Yiddish language, i think we will be able to learn and understand more Torah too.Thankyou, and G-d bless you guys! Entry #: 258

Date: 2004-10-14 18:53:55

Private Entry http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/images/padlock.gif (http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/mg/private.pl?31815) Entry #: 257

Date: 2004-10-11 17:07:09

Name:Furious!!!Comments:I'm Momosh ready to make my own website- "Don't go to goinchassidish.com" Because you guys are the worst Begashmius and Beruchnios! My brother is crazy about your your tape and I realy don't know why! I think it's because it sounds a lot like other Goyishe music!!! Begashmius: Your Leeriks stink! Your music stinks! Your taste for tunes is atrocius! Your voices make me wan't to barf!!!


Beruchnius: You have no Tochen! You copy the goyish music-style which you have been listening to! I flip when I read all those supportive-comments, it makes me wonder how there can possibly be so many fools out there! I guess ethier they're all shallow or they simply don't know what good music is or maybe I just happen to understand better than your average layman what is realy good!!!!!!


I can't understand what possesed you to make this tape! And by the way, it's tremendous Bittul-Torah on top of it all! http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/angryfire_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/angryfire_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/angryfire_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/disagree_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/disagree_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/disagree_new.gif

Entry #: 256

Date: 2004-10-11 13:11:53

Name:Camper (rafi)Comments:thank you for playing in my camp
(lman achai) http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/smile_new.gif http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/tongue_new.gif Entry #: 255

Date: 2004-09-27 13:17:12

Name:scComments:You guys are awesome! The CD rox!


To all the critics:


If you don't like the music on this CD then don't buy it or listen to it....easy!!!...But why on earth do you care so much and haveto insult the singers?!?!?!(if you actually do insult them...i'm sure thay could't care less if a couple of people out of tons of people don't like their music)


So bug off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


why doesn't anyone say anything bad abt. Immpressions, bec. one of their songs is actually totally not jewish bec. it was composed by a non-jewish band and the songs on this album are composed by jewish people and have a jewish meaning which makes it JEWISH MUSIC.......







Entry #: 254

Date: 2004-09-19 22:16:28

Name:Deah zuggerComments:My opinion of this cd- Lo Maaleh Velo Morid! It certainly is not meracheck anyone but I can't see how on earth this would make anyone be a better Chossid!


The author has great talent and feels a need to express it. http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/cartman_new.gif

Entry #: 253

Date: 2004-09-11 22:07:46

Name:AaronComments:Hey there going chassidish dude! You are the best! http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/eek_new.gif Entry #: 252

Date: 2004-09-10 01:34:47

Name:yossi smollerComments:wow, you guys r just great i love it i cant wait till the next cd's come out!!! good luck to the best band Entry #: 251

Date: 2004-09-08 20:53:06

Name:SenderComments:It says in Perkei Avos that one who is haughty in his judgement is called, "Shoyteh, Rosha V'gaus Ruach (an imbecile, an evil doer and an arrogant person)". Therefore I will say to all those critics who feel like they have to put down this wonderful cd, don't be hasty in your judgement! There are many people out there who can gain tremendously from this cd! Infact I just sang the Farbrengen song to some troubled teenagers and they loved it and asked me to sing it again and again!


All those who put down this cd are reacting with Midos and not with Sechel! Think, and perhaps you'll realize that maybe you're just jealous that Reb Avrohom Rapaport has something to offer to a crowd that would simply dismiss you as a "nerd"! And besides, if you have the time to sit by the computer and type nasty messages, then you should realy be using that time to prepare for Rosh Hashono and most of all to prepare the world for Moshiach Tzidkenu Yavo Veyigalenu Bimhera Beyomenu Amen!!! http://www.efreeguestbooks.com/smilies/wink_new.gif




Entry #: 250

Date: 2004-09-06 20:20:23

Name:Contemperary ChosidComments:I don't understand how a bachur can possibly gain from this type of music! Every bachur whom I ask about this cd says to me, "It's not treif, but way too rocky." Why can't we do things "Vee amol"! I learned in Y.O.E.C. in California and every year they would bring Reb Mendel Futerfas a"h to farbreng and this is how he described the seder every day in Tomchei Tmimim: 7:00-9:00 Chasidus. 9:00-11:00 Davening. 11:00-7:00 Nigleh. 8:00-10:00 Chasidus. 10:00-1:00 Krias Shma Al Hamita! Now this is what we should strive to become, like the Chasidim in the past and not like the Goyim of today! Teach bachurim the style of true chasidim, don't introduce your "vilde" music!!!


At any rate, I give you a lot of brachos that your next cd will be extremely "Chassidishe..." with all the the true Chassidishe ingredients. Good luck and Brocho Vehatzlocho!!!

Entry #: 249

Date: 2004-09-06 18:24:58

Name:Dschinghis KhanEdited on: 2004-09-06 18:32:00

Comments:HEY GUYS!! I MUST SAY THAT I REALLY ENJOYED YOUR CD. OF COURSE YOU KNOW THAT I WAS A MONGOLIAN WAR MONGER MANY CENTURIES AGO. YOU MUST ALSO KNOW THAT A GERMAN GROUP MADE A SONG ABOUT ME. NEXT THING YOU KNOW MBD IS SINGING "YIDDEN!" TO THE TUNE OF IT! HOW DARE HE? HOW DARE www.AVRAHAMFRIED.COM BE THE ONLY ONES TO SAY ANYTHING?
NOW LOOK, IF ANYONE SAYS YOUR STUFF SOUNDS "GOYISH," -WHICH IT DOES NOT- WOULD THEY SAME PEOPLE NOT LISTEN TO MBD? OR AVRAHAM FRIEDS' "DON'T HIDE FROM ME'? - WHICH REALLY DOES NOT SOUND "JEWISH." OR HOW ABOUT PIAMENTAS "SIMAN TOV"? CERTIANLY NO ONE WOULD USE THE INTERNET AND STILL CLAIM THAT THESE SONGS ARE "TRAIF." BUT SUDDENLY YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING WITH TOICHEN AND NO NON-JEWISH INFLUENCES, AND THEY HAVE SHEVIRAS HAKAILIM!! MY G-D! IF ANYONE ONLY KNEW THIS, WHAT WOULD THEY SAY? DONT THEY KNOW THAT YOU GOT APPROVEL FROM VARIOUS RESPECTED RABBIS?
IT IS HIGH TIME FOR THESE SELF-RIGHTEOUS HOLIER-THEN-THOU'S TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DRINKING (CHALAV ACHUM?!?!?!) OR LISTENING TO.

GOOD LUCK
Dschinghis,
Monglia

[Hiskashrus]

the most idiotic compilation of comments on a single webpage that iv'e ever seen.

i'm still trying to figure out what's so controversial about that CD (i don't like it persnoally and neither does it have to much to offer... but c'mon - like someone posted above - what about MBD and piamenta?)

[Aaronke]

Are you implying that the cd and website og goinchassidish tend to atract idiots?!

[Hiskashrus]

no. absolutely not, i think the cd is kinda cute.. but not to my taste - i don't like that kind of 'punk-rock' as they call it. i'm more into techno-style stuff. i don't think the words have to much tochen - but it's ok and if you like that kind of music then it's ok.

all i was saying is that the comments on that website are pretty idiotic - just flaming at each other without any logic (at least not to my megushamdike eyes - maybe iv'e got to open them :rolleyes:)

what they are doing (going chassidish) is following the traditions of the machane menachem camp (T.N.Z.B.H) veda"l

[Aaronke]

I wonder if there are any threads on chabadtalk that you'd say are also idiotic.

[Hiskashrus]

well, i'm sure there are... but not as much as the stuff i saw over there - it looks like a bunch of OT bar-mitzvah boys fighting (i know that scenario ;))

[bachurette]

the lyrics are pretty shallow and the music's not my speed. but i don't see why it's necessary to go flaming them on their website! it's hurtful and rude to insult something somebody has worked hard on to their face.

[Hiskashrus]

oh well... it's back to boring and limited acapella music :rolleyes: (although i'm listening to kol zimra (the 5th loop today) and i'll tell you it's better than some "actual" music.

btw, the chevra acapella is the worst production eli gerstner has ever made (except simcha, which is done pretty nicely)... but then again, maybe it's just not my style :confused:

[Aaronke]

oh well... it's back to boring and limited acapella music :rolleyes: (although i'm listening to kol zimra (the 5th loop today) and i'll tell you it's better than some "actual" music.

btw, the chevra acapella is the worst production eli gerstner has ever made (except simcha, which is done pretty nicely)... but then again, maybe it's just not my style :confused:

Isn't Eli Gerstner the producer, composer and aranger of the Yeshiva Boys Choir?

[Hiskashrus]

yes, although i really don't see the need to bump old threads back.

[Aaronke]

I believe he actualy came out recently with his own album.

[Aaronke]

I would believe it's necessary when I see the list of Mashpi'im who have declared it so. The decisions of a bunch of bochurim are worthless in and of itself.

Good point Bittul! Who exactly are those Mashpiim that support a song with lyrics like, "cough choke splat someone barfed on the floor"?

[Hiskashrus]

actually an old vort was התוועדות: משקה, פעילית: ברעכאץ

[Aaronke]

actually an old vort was התוועדות: משקה, פעילית: ברעכאץ
Meaning?