New Neshomas

[Yankel Nosson]

I have encountered the inyan of Neshomas Chadashos ( New Neshomas ) in different contexts in Chassidus.

In one context, it refers to very great souls on the level of the Alter Rebbe.

In another context it refers to very great souls that never came into the world and will not enter the world until Moshiach comes.

Are these referring to the same thing? In other words, was the Alter Rebbe one of these New Neshomas that uncharacteristically came into this world? Or is the term being used differently in his case?

I suspect that by the AR and others it refers to Neshoma of Atzilus, whereas in the second context it refers to...(don't have access to the MR's Drushei Chasana at present....)

[Gevurah]

see Sefer Gilgulim among other places

[Gevurah]

search Otzar...I saw in a mamar recently.....Rashab section might have it..

[KolB'Seder]

we know that the nosi has the neshomas klolius-the neshoma of moshe rabeinu.so y is it said that the AR was a new neshoma,wasnt he a "receiver" of the neshoma klolius?

[Gevurah]

nicht a stirah...

[Groisah Tzaddik]

Originally posted by KolB'Seder
we know that the nosi has the neshomas klolius-the neshoma of moshe rabeinu.so y is it said that the AR was a new neshoma,wasnt he a "receiver" of the neshoma klolius?
What are you saying that the neshomas klolius is like a hot potato they keep passing around? :confused:

[Gevurah]

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/hot_potato_routing.html

No. ;)

[Yankel Nosson]

Originally posted by Gevurah
see Sefer Gilgulim among other places
Want to be a dear and at least provide a perek?

[KolB'Seder]

groisah tzadik,i am not ch'v saying its a "hot potato" but the kabaloh is,is that that specific neshoma is "passed down" to the next nosi un azoi veiter...

[Gevurah]

a deer? Go look in the back....they send it (shar gilgulim) out from 37 in English and will get there...

[Gevurah]

if I tell you to look in Hakdama 7 ..dayenu? +/-

[Gevurah]

http://www.kabbalaonline.org/Safedteachings/gor/New_Souls_(72).asp

[Gevurah]

how could you have not looked here first.....

now to see how this ties into the Alte Rebbe.... I have to go work now....do what I said or go bring back Masbir as I have carpal tunnel syndrome acting up...

[Yankel Nosson]

Originally posted by Gevurah
buy a copy 2 volumes of Torat HaGIlgul and look it up...buy the CD....
Very free-spending with my money!

As for the folks in virtual Tsfas, I had already perused those pages before I posted here. If I thought I was qualified to draw my own conclusions from the Zohar and the Arizal without the benefit of Chabad Chassidus and Toras HaBesht, maybe I wouldn't be here at Chabadtalk at all. Instead, I'd be running my own site like R's Winston and barTzadok, pontificating chidushim on inyonei d'yoma to anyone who would listen.

But I'm not.

So there.

[Gevurah]

:lchaim:

[Gevurah]

was learning a sicha last night.....an odd paragraph without footnotes in brackets at the beginning of the page nogaya ldavar if you think about it....
as we are comparing the same people

[Yankel Nosson]

was learning a sicha last night.....an odd paragraph without footnotes in brackets at the beginning of the page nogaya ldavar if you think about it....as we are comparing the same people
Hmmm...my Yiddish is nisht kein so gut...maybe you good give us a bilti mugah rendition? ;)

[Gevurah]

go learn it.......PM me if you need to know why..

a paradoxical comment to the affect that "New Neshamas make more chiddushim"

Rebayzl..please fill in the history.. I am getting curious about what has been said...

[Gevurah]

see Toras Menachem Hisvadus volume1 p.203 ! ?! an answer maybe of sorts...


see Sefer HaSichos 5705 18 Elul #8 for original story
see Sefer Mamarim 5707 p.256 for some comments....

[Gevurah]

see "On Essessence of Chassidus" Chapter 6 in english p.27-28 footnotes....

but perhaps the paradox is not answered openly there....

[Gevurah]

sichos kodesh

5713 shmos #29

5732 vayechi #1

5740 chai elul #34

[Yankel Nosson]

Bli neder I'll try to take a look at these resources over the weekend.

[Gevurah]

so answer now how could the Alte Rebbe be a new neshama and also have the neshama of the Nasi :cool: :cheesy: :D

[Yankel Nosson]

sichos kodesh
5713 shmos #29
5732 vayechi #1
5740 chai elul #34
On Otzar?

[Gevurah]

http://www.sichoskodesh.com/

du darst lernen Yiddish

[Yankel Nosson]

we know that the nosi has the neshomas klolius-the neshoma of moshe rabeinu.so y is it said that the AR was a new neshoma,wasnt he a "receiver" of the neshoma klolius?
Why do you want to say there is a single neshoma klolius?

A quick look at history shows that it was impossible for each Jewish soul to have fulfilled those mitzvos. How can that fact be reconciled with the Alter Rebbe’s statement? In answer, Kabbalists explain that a king and high priest possessed general souls, including within themselves sparks of the souls of the entire Jewish nation. Therefore, through their performance of the mitzvos, they fulfill the obligation of the rest of the Jewish people as well. The same explanation can be used in the case at hand. The select few of each generation possessed “general souls” and therefore their study of Kabbalah fulfilled the obligations of the entire nation.

source: sicha Tu B’Shvat, 5739

See also, Tanya: Igeret HaKodesh - Epistle 27b

Thus it is stated in the Zohar [Zohar III, 273a/216b] in reference to Moses our Master, peace be unto him, that after his passing his radiation extends in every generation to the six hundred thousand souls, [all other souls being sparks of these general souls, as explained in Tanya, ch. 37], like the sun which radiates to the six hundred thousand stars from below the earth.

[Yankel Nosson]

It states somewhere that every Yid who will ever live has his name in Divrei Hayamim. Is that referring to 600,000 names, of we are each a fragment?

[Yankel Nosson]

From Gal Einai:

"...The Holy Ari, the acronym for Rabbi Isaac ben Shlomo Luria, was the new soul* sent from above..."

*) In Kabbalah, a new soul is one that was not contained within Adam and therefore did not partake of the primordial sin of eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Because every human being is actually a mosaic of souls, and most if not all of these were contained within Adam, the Ari, like all human beings cursed with death, eventually did pass away. For a more in-depth explanation, see “Tzadik Yesod Olam” in Rabbi Ginsburgh’s Hebrew volume Leiv Lada’at, p. 136.


Gevurah, you probably have this sefer. Does he give marei makomos in Chassidus for this concept?

[klippatrapper]

I once heard that one of the rebetzins (I think rebetzin fraida) had a male neshoma! anyone knows the full picture?
now it says that yitzchak had a female Neshoma & wasn't able to have children for this until the akaidah where he received a male Neshoma & only then was he mechuav to get married!
heres the questions how was Yitzchak Bris considered one as he really wasnt mechuav for one as it was a female neshoma?
& how come this Rebetzin did have childres whilst Yitzchak couldnt?

[zaraza]

Meinyan Leinyan Boso Inyan
It says that every neshoma must be born in order for moshiach to come. The question is asked if every neshomah nowadays is a gilgul anyways, what is the inyan of having children now?
Ele mai in order that we should greet moshiach brov am hadras melech :)

[wannabe]

The first mitzvah in the Torah!

[The Eighth King]

heres the questions how was Yitzchak Bris considered one as he really wasnt mechuav for one as it was a female neshoma?
& how come this Rebetzin did have childres whilst Yitzchak couldnt?

A. The mitzvah is on the Guf.

B. Just because a female may have the soul of a male does not necessarily mean that she will not have children. It is possible that she can get an Ibur of a female soul in order to give birth (which may sometimes become the soul of the child (which will be born female etc), or through several other means, where it is possible for her to even give birth to a male, if I recall the Shaar HaGilgulim correctly. (I will try to find the exact chapter for you so that you can look it up.)

[klippatrapper]

Thanx! But it still doesnt answer why Yitzchak wasnt able to have kidz untill the Akaida!

[Torah613]

Was Yitzchok even married before the Akeidah?

[klippatrapper]

Thats exactly why he met Rivka straight afetr the Akaida!

[Torah613]

Why (and ... a source, please. For me, Rashi is enough...).

[klippatrapper]

In Ohr Hachaim Parshas Toldos Posuk Yud Tes it says Vaelei toldos Avraham so the Or Hachaim explains it says Avraham as Avraham gave Yitzchak the ability ti have a child throught the Akaida! As Yitzchak received a new neshoma!