The Rebbe and "misnagdim"

[Yehoshua David]

What did the Rebbe say on the term "misnagdim" and where is it recorded?

[BaisHamikdashBa]

Misnagdim was give to misnagdim by misnagdim...

[n'eNow770]

Someone told me that the Rebbe said you shouldn't use the term misnaged... anyone know of that???

[Yehoshua David]

Someone told me that the Rebbe said you shouldn't use the term misnaged... anyone know of that???


Right...But no one has ever quoted the source!!!

[BaisHamikdashBa]

it seems like this would be where it was mentioned.... but i dont see that
התוועדויות שנת תשי"ב חלק ראשון
תשרי-שבט (Unedited)

[Avodas Avoda]

This refers to historical "misnagdim." I had always understood that the Rebbe was against using the term to apply to modern day Litvaks and other non-Chassidim because the concept doesn't really exist at this point in time.

Admittedly, I haven't seen this in writing. :vodka:

[wannabe]

I don't know about saying not to use the term, but the Rebbe stated numerous times that there are no misnagdim today. One example I just saw recently is a Yechidus with R' Shmuel Levitin 5 teves 5730 (printed in the hosafos to sichos kodesh 5730) ". . there are no menagdim today, even . . who look like menagdim are also not menagdim".

(We do have to find an eitzah for the misnaged asher bekirbeinu who's as strong as ever)

[Torah613]

See also Motzei Shabbos Beshalach 5738 where he discusses the yeshiva in LA.
OTOH there is the farbrengen (in the early Mem's) where the Rebbe told a certain story about someone and ended "Un ehr iz gebliben ah misnagid ad hayom hazeh"...

[wannabe]

see also the famous ra"d with kahane "Bechlal by frumme yidden there were no misnagdim, just mechutzofim".
12 tamuz 5716: "Even when they go to places where it appears that there are misnagdim, this is from shtus, and 'ein mivi'in rayoh min hashoytim"

Another example of the OTOH - there is a story (printed in the hosafos of sichos kodesh, but I don't remember where right now): Someone told the Rebbe in Yechidus that there was a chosid in Australia who was ill and the doctors said to remove something (I frgt wht). They asked the Frierdige Rebbe and he said not to have the operation. There was a misnagdishe Rov who was involved, and he made a macho'oh - how can you listen to someone thousands of miles away in a matter of dinei nefashos? Of course the chosid followed the directives of the FR.

About 32 years later the misnagdish rov met someone from the family of the chosid and asked him what was the end of the story, so he told him that two years ago the chosid finally had the surgery. So the rov said 'you see that I was right'.

When the chosid in yechidus finished relating the whole story to the Rebbe, he responded "Dos is a misnaged".

[BaisHamikdashBa]

in those days misnagdim were fighting Lshaim Shamayim..... Is Hashem in every part of this world including chur... or not?

Nowadays its nothing lshaim shamyaim....

[Yankel Nosson]

in those days misnagdim were fighting Lshaim Shamayim??! Any of this type ceased being misnagdim as soon as they encountered the truth about chassidim/chassidus. The rest were out for machloikes, kavod, etc.

[noahidelaws]

The time has now arrived for all Torah scholars -- regardless of partisan considerations, and including even those who used to be called misnagdishe Torah scholars and those who study in the various nonchassidic yeshivos -- to study the teachings of Chassidus and to engage in avodah in the spirit in which Chassidus demands. Opposition to Chassidus no longer exists. The epithet "misnaged" must be made completely out of bounds; with us there is not and there should not be anything divisive.

There is and there should be diversity in nussach, in prayer rites. The various prayer rites are gates which correspond to the Tribes of Israel and to the variety of prostrations in the Beis HaMikdash. These in turn correspond to the thirteen gates in the future Beis HaMikdash (May it be rebuilt speedily and in our own days!). Hence the diversity in nussach -- the nussach of the AriZal, and nussach Ashkenaz (hence the name Ashkenazim), and so on.

When it comes to Torah and mitzvos, however, there are no differences of nussach. All those who are committed to the study and observance of the Torah, regardless of the diversity of their prayer rites, should join together in the avodah of Torah and mitzvos which have become revealed through the teachings of Chassidus. The doors are open for those who study Torah and who observe its commandments; the doors are open for Jews at large, for those whose Jewish spark draws them to wherever Jews are to be found, to wherever Jews rejoice on Simchas Torah.

http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books/likkutei-dibburim-5/02.htm

[mordechai7215]

I believe when referring to a certain Rov who at one time learned in Lubavitch, but left because of the food, the Rebbe said that he left, and remained a Misnagid to this day.

[chossidnistar]

post#8?

Is it possible to say that there are not Misnagdim anymore, but there are Modern Mistagdim?