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noahidelaws
05-03-2005, 11:20 AM
I need a list of ma'amarim which discuss in detail the meaning of the different sefiros, and how each one is included in the other. There's a famous one in 5711, D"H Usefartem Lachem, but does anyone know of others?
The Eighth King
05-04-2005, 12:07 AM
This is the topic of שער היחוד from the Mitteler Rebbe, as evidenced by the opening words of perek yud:
ומעתה הנה יש להבין דרך פרט בכל ד' עולמות דאבי"ע דהיינו בכל פרטי ענין ע"ס דאבי"ע או"כ והתלבשותן זב"ז בכל פרטיהן גם בכל ספירה שמתחלקת לפרטי פרטיות כמו גם בבחי' חסד דמל' שבחכמ' שבמלכות דחסד וכה"ג וענין יחודם והתכללותם בבחי' הכתר שבכל עולם וכו
chabadtalk
05-04-2005, 02:18 PM
eighth king I don't understand why dont you give the specific chapter that deals with this issue (chapter 21-22) instead of the itroduction to the "haskalah" of the sefer?
The Eighth King
05-04-2005, 04:27 PM
you think you can understand chapters 21 and 22 without first understanding chapter ten? I have difficulty just understanding chapter ten itself.
chabadtalk
05-04-2005, 10:33 PM
Eigth king you are correct one cannot truly understand chapters 21-22 without first studying chapters 10 etc' in depth. The answer however to noahidelaws question is not at all in chapter 10 but in chapters 21-22. So again my question why did you not direct him to 21-22?
The Eighth King
05-04-2005, 11:58 PM
Chabadtalk: would have, could have, should have, but didn't! why does that bother you so much anyhow?
Actually, after rereading Noahidelaws post (i.e. the maamer that he brings down) it seems that he wants to understand the concept of התכללות in relation to ספירת העומר. Thus, although chapters 21/22 speak about התכללות, nevertheless, it is not in relation to ספירת העומר (i.e. chesed of gvura and gvura of gvura v'chu). Another source which more directly speaks of this concept in relation to ספירה can be found in ספר המאמרים אידיש from the previous Rebbe, וספרתם לכם, specifically ois beis.
noahidelaws
05-08-2005, 05:17 AM
Indeed, that's what I am looking for--thanks!:) Though even ma'amarim that don't speak about התכללות, but about the sefiros in general, and the differences between netzach, hod, and yesod in particular, are hard for me to locate, and would also be helpful.
The Eighth King
05-11-2005, 03:04 PM
See also ספר המאמרים תש"ח, אני לדודי ועלי תשוקתו, ois beis and on...
The Eighth King
05-11-2005, 03:11 PM
generally the whole thing of נה"י is how to be mashpia, so that נצח is a hashpo'o in a way of hispashtus (so that the mekabel should be "won over" to the reasoning etc), הוד means no hashpo'o (but only hodo'o, that the mekabel should be modeh), and יסוד is the machria between the two, so that there is a hashpo'o metzumtzemes according to the measures of נו"ה (which are called מאוזני צדק).
noahidelaws
05-16-2005, 04:20 AM
source?
The Eighth King
09-06-2005, 10:17 PM
saw it elsewhere.. don't remember exactly where... but its al derech פירוש המילות by יחיד חי העולמים (which is based on the סידור there...)
Hiskashrus
09-06-2005, 10:31 PM
Shvous '65 goes through the whole seder hishtalshelus haklolis and protis.. although it's a bit hard
The Eighth King
09-06-2005, 10:40 PM
oh really... which '65 are you referring to...?
Hiskashrus
09-06-2005, 10:56 PM
it's been a while since iv'e looked at it - 5665
am i getting it wrong again?
The Eighth King
09-06-2005, 11:15 PM
Well.. what you said was:Shvous '65 goes through the whole seder hishtalshelus haklolis and protis.. But it doesn't go through the whole seder hishtalshelus haklolis and protis, rather, it explains the concept of "klal and prat" throughout various different levels in the hishtalshelus...how this is nogea to this thread is beyond me. What hes asking about is the inyan of "hiskallelus" (specifically in regard to sfiras ha'oimer.)
The Eighth King
09-06-2005, 11:33 PM
(But the inyan of hiskallelus is indeed discussed in '65 by Shabbos Parshas Noach...but not in relation to sfirah...)
Hiskashrus
09-06-2005, 11:39 PM
iv'e gotta get my act together (i learned that too)... but i'm still want to know what olam hamalbush is ;)
btw - next year is 100 years since hemshech '66 - i wonder if there will be anything new coming out (wink wink)
noahidelaws
09-23-2005, 02:30 PM
Thanks for all your input. I need a site that explains each of the sefiros on a very basic level, fit for mekurovim. Can anyone help? Todah mei'rosh.
noahidelaws
09-23-2005, 03:02 PM
found it: http://www.inner.org/sefirot/sefirot.htm
Hiskashrus
09-23-2005, 05:11 PM
i don't like the way he explains some of the stuff - he doesn't put enough focus on the points that are needed for chassidus.
noahidelaws
09-23-2005, 05:52 PM
Okay, which site do you prefer?
MifaalHachassid
09-24-2005, 07:41 PM
i would suggest something from the chassidic heritage series.
noahidelaws
09-24-2005, 09:40 PM
I need a site--thanks.
The Eighth King
02-22-2006, 11:13 AM
generally the whole thing of נה"י is how to be mashpia, so that נצח is a hashpo'o in a way of hispashtus..., הוד means no hashpo'o..., and יסוד is the machria between the two, so that there is a hashpo'o metzumtzemes according to the measures of נו"ה (which are called מאוזני צדק).source?saw it elsewhere.. don't remember exactly where... but its al derech פירוש המילות by יחיד חי העולמים (which is based on the סידור there...)Actually, it appears that there is a ט"ס in the פירוש המילות there at the top of p. 78a. It appears that whoever typed it up confused נצח and הוד in the sentence: בחי' המניעה לצמצם השפע הוא בנצח וההיפוך בירידת השפע הוא בהוד כו. Firstly, this is the exact opposite of what it says in the Siddur on which this is based. Secondly, the following sentence in the פירוש המלות doesn't make sense because of this... Rather, it should be "בחי' המניעה לצמצם השפע הוא בהוד וההיפוך בירידת השפע הוא בנצח."
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