A Bissel Chayus

[Majorthinker]

How do you give yourself chayus when you feel really dead, and there's no one who can help you get it?

[The Eighth King]

and there's no one who can help you get it?Why ask us then...?

[The Eighth King]

Us Chassidim have something even better than mashke to warm us up! We have Chassidus!!

The middos come from the moiach...When the middos have a "dead" (or cold) hergesh its because the moiach is "dead" (or cold etc). (I.e. the emotions are the effect of the thoughts, which are their cause.) I prescribe that you put everything (and I mean literally everything) out of your mind, and sit down and learn a Maamer Chassidus b'iyun. It will give you chayus. This is a fact of nature (see עמוד נח of Kuntres Hispaalus). The more you invest yourself in it, the more chayus it will give you. Try it out and you will see.

(Another reason why this will work as a fact (if you invest yourself) is because of the known fact that atzvus and kaltkeit comes from the choishech of the sitra achara, and Chassidus is the "medicine" that obliterates and destroys the darkness of the s"a.)
:twolchai:

[The Eighth King]

You know the saying, "Mashke macht shiker, gelt macht meshugeh, Chassidus macht frum"! I say, however, "Chassidus macht shiker, meshugeh un frum!" ;)

[The Eighth King]

...and if what I said in post #3 doesn't seem to work, then I suggest an increased investment in Davening (specifically in the "psukey rachmonus"), according to what the A"R says (in מאמרי אדמו"ר הזקן, הנחות הר"פ ז"ל, ד"ה וספרתם לכם, אות ב). Then return and try post #3 again. (And a hachloto and strengthening of Kabbolos Ol Malchus Shamayim in Machshovo, Dibur, UMaaseh will also certainly help.)

[Majorthinker]

Whew! Okay, I'm going to give post #3 a shot first. Thanx so much. Wish me luck. BTW- b'iyun =in depth?

[Majorchassid]

Post number 3 might have worked, except that I have no desire to learn....I haven't davened either the past few days...
So now what? Give it up and concentrate in something else? I have other things that I have to work on, too.

[Hiskashrus]

hey - chassidus is actually very fun and refreshing... maybe learn samach t'samach if your'e up to it - it will teach you a lot of chassidus too - but let me warn you that this is not for beginners. if you are just beginning then look at something like 5700 or acharei mos 5649 - also some stuff in 5643-4 will be of some use.

if your'e looking for a shaking experience then learn shuva yisroel ranat, or some of the mammorim kuntreisim of the frierdiker rebbe. i must tell you that the rebbe's maamorim are very hard and very difficult - although there is a paricular maamer which inspires me to this day although it's d"h i have forgotten - it's in meluket 5 and it's not so hard.

of course - maybe chat some more on chabadtalk - it should give you some chayus (definitely give me some chayus and chizuk)

maybe listen to some music (accapela of course :rolleyes:) or just go outside and play some ball (iv'e been wanting to do that - problem is that the park is under construction) - i haven't been there in ages

[Majorchassid]

Thanx.

[Shir Chadash]

Giving tzedakah also increases chayus.

[hishtatchus]

I find that it helps to fake it- do something that requires Chayus (being enthusiastic on Mivtzoyim, dancing at a Chasuna, teaching a beginner Torah) and pretend that you really feel excited, and after a while it starts being real.

[believer]

I haven't davened either the past few days...
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Oy vay. you didn't daven because of lack of chayus or because you didn't have time or what?

[Hiskashrus]

i haven't davened for the past 8 months. depends what you call davening. if it's shmona esrei and the rest, then iv'e davened every day, but if you are talking about a good proper davening - well - i don't know.

what i do realize is that all other groups daven better than us lubavitchers. it's just interesting and i don't know why - the srugis, the modern orthodox, other chassidim, litvaks - lubavitchers are by far the worst daveners. - and iv'e been all over the place

again, it doesn't terribly bother me because i'm an 'awful' davener (maybe 20 minutes on a lucky day) but i don't really see too many 'average chaim' dugmaos for me to mimic.

[Majorchassid]

again, it doesn't terribly bother me because i'm an 'awful' davener (maybe 20 minutes on a lucky day) but i don't really see too many 'average chaim' dugmaos for me to mimic.
There are very few ppl. who actually daven properly- most spend about 20 minutes for shacharis, and 5 for mincha.

[Majorchassid]

Oy vay. you didn't daven because of lack of chayus or because you didn't have time or what?
Didn't have the time, and didn't feel like trying to squish it in (although I could've).

[believer]

If someone really doesnt have time to daven shacharis, they should daven 2 minchas. Even though I really have a hard time davening, I do it. Usually if I miss one davening i feel really guilty. I daven because I know G-d wants me to, and G-d created the world and He could get rid of me whenever he wants or make something happen to me or something chas vshalom, and also davening protects me and I'm really scared. And also because the Rebbe wants me to.

[Torah613]

If someone really doesnt have time to daven shacharis, they should daven 2 minchasWhat does "not having enough time" mean, that would justify 2 minchas? Usually one is not that bust, that they couldn't find time to davven a Shmona Esrei - especially if we are talking about females. OTOH, if we are talking about females, then there are the opinions that brochos etc is enough, therefore there would not be a reason to davven 2 SA's...

[Hiskashrus]

i don't know how it is with neshamos d'ban.

i'm talking about a minyan, most people daven 30 mintutes with a minyan - but i average at about 15 minutes (20 is on a lucky day). although i'll tell you - to daven in the summer all by myself without any outside encouragement is something big. i won't always daven in the mornings - although i try to. but 8:00 shkia is very tempting. also i take that davening takes up a different priority regarding girls (by men it's among the top).

believer, davening 2 minchas has never been done with chassidim. once my rosh yeshiva said that he 'couldn't hold himslef in' and davened mincha - but even he said to us later that this shouldn't be done - but rather to daven shacharis.

although it clearly states that one should daven mincha twice... i guess that we chassidim are supposed to consider everything we do. every flick of the wrist and every instance of nosepicking - a preparation for davening.

i'm not talking out against this - personally i have no problem, but i do think that this is another way for people to allow to fool themselves

[Torah613]

If someone really doesnt have time to daven shacharis, they should daven 2 minchasWhat does "not having enough time" mean, that would justify 2 minchas? Usually one is not that busy, that they couldn't find time to davven a Shmona Esrei - especially if we are talking about females. OTOH, if we are talking about females, then there are the opinions that brochos etc is enough, therefore there would not be a reason to davven 2 SA's...
Kiddush - as some of the things you write are blatantly wrong (and against halocho), I don't think you should be writing them (especially in a public venue).

[Hiskashrus]

it's a fact. people don't daven mincha twice - why - i don't really know and how it's permissible i don't really know either.

mashpi'im roshei yeshivos and other people who i rely on to be big yirei shomaim would never daven mincha twice (of course, they almost never wake up late)

if it's my honesty of saying when i daven that upsets you, then why are you using the internet? - for as many things that you can trash me with i can trash back with 10 times the amount of halachic problems.

and if you want to give me heteirim, then i can tell you all my heteirim.

and i have really no idea why you are so upset at me. i'm not writing this as any official chabad body, and i'm not even claiming to be chassidish - i'm simply being honest and open - if i can't do it on the internet then where can i?

if you can't tolerate such things in real life - well - it's ok then (i would still have a problem, but it's your life and your mind and your decision) but the internet is a very public venue when we can express what we think without having to worry about being embarassed or offensive.

of course people can still get offended by some comments and remarks, and that is why we have moderators.

there are many things that you say that i would strongly oppose and disapprove and also consider unsuitable for the public (considering that everyone shared my feelings and views)

calm down. it's only the internet - and this is the place where we try to encourage "asei tov" and not "sur merah" - so let's keep it at that.

for example - if you didn't like something that i posted then you can post an informative reply stating my mistake and error and then i would stand corrected and learn something new. but making such statements would simply scare me (and possibly other people) away from this site (how's that for integrity of halacha)

please, i don't want to start a personal battle, and if you'll feel a bit "aropgepished" then keep it to yourself - your post will get deleted anyway if it's to offensive. your best tactic (and everyone's best friend) is to be INFORMATIVE.

good luck

[Torah613]

I'm not upset. From what? What do I care when (or if) you davven?
One has to realize that this is public - with all the yenikah lechitzonim it entails, therefore questionable statements of what "chassidim" have done or do, what is considered hachono (and the mockery of it), should be written with care.
[To be honest - I don't undertsand most of your last post. Whatever].

[believer]

I'm sorry I haden't made it clear, but I was talking about girls. I heard you're supposed to daven 2 minchas.

[believer]

OTOH,
What does that stand for?

[Hiskashrus]

and this is one of the things i can't stand today with many people - they are outwards-oriented. their whole life is spent thinking about other people.... but not in regards to other people's welfare, but rather in regards to other people's yiddishkeit.

one may ask "isn't that a good thing?" - iv'e already written about this at length here:

http://chabadtalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=97546&postcount=3

i would love to expand on this issue since i think that it's plaguing our inner minds and our surroundings. i personally think that i - with my leniencies and kalus - am less of a harm to yiddishkeit and lubavitch as a whole - than the afformentioned problem.

this is not a personal attack and shoudn't be viewed as such. if there is yenika (or a potential cause for it) then let it be fixed by correcting and not by rebuking. if chassidim daven late - shouldn't that be explained? shouldn't 770 be closed down - since it's yenika. shouldn't we allow private entries to yeshivos since it's yenika?

iv'e visited many places and iv'e never seen people trying to 'cover up' as much as iv'e seen here in lubavitcher establishments. we have enough to offer as our honest selves and making a false impression that everyone is holy WILL turn people off.

it's a fact that the only people today who are attacking are those people who are looking to raise controversy - people don't care about these things and only idiots get impressed (and make assumptions) from shows; i know many people who know the inner workings of a day-to-day lubavitcher lifestyle, and yet still respect lubavitch.

as iv'e said in the above mentioned thread, chabad is a way of though and that is what impresses people.

why are we always so worried about what the other guy does and what the other guy thinks? isn't that the opposite of free-thinking? isn't that the opposite of chabad? isn't that faking to an extreme?

i once went on mivtzoim with someone who was very "makpid" on some things (regarding mivtzoim)... but now he himself is barely religious! why did it happen? i'm not fully pointing to the fact that he was 'makpid' on some things... but one day you just wake up and start thinking about your honest self and how chaotic youv'e become inside - well - there can be some very unwanted and unpredicted consequences resulting from that "wake-up call"

it's the job of tzadikim to worry about the whole generation, but as simple and selfish folk, we should look at ourselves too (of course the rebbe had asked to spread judaism, but that takes upon a whole different meaning than worrying about someone else's yiddishkeit. what the rebbe meant was that people try to encourage and enrich your fellow's judaism - and when it is done in that light then it is done compeletely different.)

and that's why i like this forum and the internet in general. i have enough friends and contacts to talk to and a few faceless and nameless people on chabadtalk won't make much of a social enrichment, but it's the freedom and the anonimity and the honest, which impress me. i wouldn't make the slightest clue as to who i am, but that's ok - because here at the internet i'm not judged by my yichus or looks or my ability to deliver a good mussar shmooze, but rather how i think about issues.

there are people over here who may not exactly agree with things i have to say, and there are things people say that i do not exactly agree with - (and i will fight and correct them if i'm up to it).

mashpi'm, igros and yechi are some of the things of which i have different views on - but i respect it when it's presented in an honest and personal fashion.

i am an author and have written some texts, and i'm also an avid reader and i frequent public and private functions, but never can i get an opinion as honest as the one i get on the internet.

people can deliver nice speeches, inspiring ones too and they can write nice books, but what really makes a person shift is an honest and appealing opinion.

now, of course there have been times where a simple book or speech was enough to inspire a person, but that is only because the idea was already existant in the person, but only in a very primitive form - but when he heard that speech, when he read that book - he then recieved that "extra push" to get him going.

but what i'm talking about is implementing (is that how it's spelled) new ideals into a person, or perhaps other things which a person may need but is unaware of - the way to unleash and harness those ideals is through honesty and personality - when people can relate to one's character, one's way of thinking - then he (ok, it may also be a she) can also begin to relate to his friend's ideas - and the source of inspiration in this case will be the friend, while the idea still remains abstract.

as a side note, this is also the reasons for many minhagim today:

chassidim try to express their "love" for the rebbe in trying to do things that the rebbe did and say things the rebbe said because it makes them feel the bond and connection between them and the rebbe. by some people this had come naturally, but this behavior is so superfluous by some that it just sickens me. love is something that comes naturally and cannot be implanted in someone's head by any specific action or though.

ooops... seems iv'e lost myself in the night and in the topic. good night and chassidishe chalomos!

[Majorthinker]

ummmmmm, this is a thread on how to get chayus, kiddush

[Shir Chadash]

ummmmmm, this is a thread on how to get chayus, kiddush

The Rebbe said that the people have to give chayus to the King.

[drAydel]

...known fact that atzvus and kaltkeit comes from the choishech of the sitra achara, and Chassidus is the "medicine" that obliterates and destroys the darkness of the s"a.)
:twolchai:

what's the source for this?

[Majorthinker]

tanya, im not sure what perek tho

[Chassidic1]

B"H
7, Shvat, 5766

At the end of the day, the only thing that gives me any Chayas at all when I get "down" is Chassidus. Moreover, even when I am not "down" I need to start my morning with Chassidus to get the energy to genuinely invest myself in Niglah and in doing Mitzvoth. In this way, I see Chassidus as my "Shabbos." (Just as the weekdays gain their Chayus from Shabbos, as explained in the holy Zohar, so to...)

[Majorthinker]

When I get 'down' I b'pashtus don't feel like learning chassidus, and then because i don't learn it I get more upset, and mad at myself for not being up to par...it basically gets to be a vicious cycle with me ending it by doing one of two things: deciding that even though I'm not going to do it with any chayus, I'll still learn, or calling someone, or going to a farby, to get me more inspired...

[Chassidic1]

B"H
7, Shvat, 5766

I definately "hear" that.

[Majorthinker]

B"H
7, Shvat, 5766

I definately "hear" that.
What are the quotes for?

[Chassidic1]

B"H
7, Shvat, 5766

I employed the quotes to indicate non-literal usage of the term "hear." Meaning, by "hear" I refer not to the perception of vibrations (i.e. sound), but to comprehension.

[Majorthinker]

O. Ok, I think I get u.

[JewishHiphop]

The Rebbe said that the people have to give chayus to the King. I would agree that being connected to the King is the primary source of Chayus for all people of the generation. As the Rebbe explains in the sicha of Beis Nisan 5748, the King is the heart of the Nation.

[JewishHiphop]

By hashgacha pratis, I came across this quote from the Rebbe, which lechora supports what I said before.

{The opposition from the world to the redemption, is merely an external appearance alone. In truth, the entire world was only created for the sake of the revelation of G-d's sovereignty (which will become manifest through the King Messiah(who will bring the entire world under G-d's sovereignty through the study of Torah and the fulfillment of Mitvoth) and when this Kingdom of G-d becomes revealed, all apparent opposition will be nullified.}

..And in greater depth: since the vitality and the existence of all of the people of the country are dependant upon the King[98], it is understood, that in the truth of the matter it is not shayach (appropriate) that there should be an opponent to the King, for behold the entire existence of the "opponent" (as it appears outwardly) is dependant upon the King. And similarly with regards to the redemption - that the inyan (matter) of Malchus (Sovereignty) (the King Moshiach) emphasizes how in the truth of the matter the world (exile) is not able to be an opponent to the redemption, since the entire existence of the world is dependant upon the matter of the redemption (Malchus / Sovereignty), as is brought in the Talmud[15] "the world was only created... for Moshiach"[99], and therefore, the "opposition" of the world (exile) to the redemption is merely an exteral matter alone, and its nullification is through the revelation of the true inyan / matter of the world - Malchus / Sovereignty[100].


[98] (http://us.f326.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?DMid=6316_104259719_1255914_511_2262_0_250 617_9557_1598167554&YY=81028&inc=200&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Draft#_ftnref1) See Likutei Sichos 8:25. And there it was explained.

[15] (http://us.f326.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?DMid=6316_104259719_1255914_511_2262_0_250 617_9557_1598167554&YY=81028&inc=200&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Draft#_ftnref2) Sanhedrin 98b.
[99] And also according to the other opinions (there) - "David", the Malchus Beis David ("the malchus / sovereignty was given to him forever, to him and his descendants" - Chiddushei Aggadoth Maharsha there), that the King Moshiach is from his descendants: and for "Moshe" - "the first redeemer is the last redeemer" (see Likutei Sichos 11:8 and onwards and there it is explained.)
[100] And to note, that the elicitation and revelation of the Alufo Shel Olam (as through this we make from the "golah" (exile) "geulah" (redemption), as above section 7) is the inyan / matter of "Echad", "making Him King above and below and in the four directions" (Berachos 13b), "Malchus is his inyan" (Rambam Hilchos Shofar 3:9.)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redemption_time/message/13846

[Torah613]

Nice to see that AB found himself a group to post things to himself...

[JewishHiphop]

Nice to see that AB found himself a group to post things to himself...Why do you guys keep picking on my friend AB?

[Torah613]

:biggrin: :biggrin: :lchaim: :twolchai:

[The Eighth King]

what's the source for this?These are common concepts. See for example מאמרי אדמו"ר האמצעי on this weeks parsha (בשלח), see ד"ה ויסע משה את ישראל כו...

[drAydel]

What does that stand for?

OTOH = on the other hand

[WWMN]

If someone really doesnt have time to daven shacharis, they should daven 2 minchas.
S"A says one who misses shachris ACCIDENTALLY may make up for it by davening 2 mincha and the same by other tefillois and goes into a whole thing about musaf. I think you should look it up b/4 posting, no offense

[silentshlucha]

How do you give yourself chayus when you feel really dead, and there's no one who can help you get it?

When I was a teenager I always wished they had a sight like this. You are all very blessed to have Chabad Talk and it should give you Chayus, knowing you can say what is in your heart and on your mind.

Majorthinker, you need to look inside yourself, and ask yourself what is your passion? Do something that makes you happy. If you always dreamt of doing something, do it (obviously within reason). We all need something that drives us, that gives us a reason to go on.
Some of us go on Shlichus. Some of us learn Torah. Some of us paint. Etc. Find something that makes you feel alive and tackle it.

You are ultimately the only one who can truly wake yourself up. Hatzlocho!

[drAydel]

mistameh getting some sleep vs. www's all night may help.
but it sounds like ur looking 4 a more ruchnius wake-up, eh?

[wanthetruth]

Some of us learn Torah.
everyone has to learn torah!

[emes m'eretz]

You want chayus? Go to Chabad.org and listen to Dershowitz talk, with a chayus about the Rebbe and Lubavitch. (Type Dershowitz in the search.)

Talk to somone who personally witnessed the miraculous work of Lubavitch in Russia and around the world.

Read how the Rebbe cared, and picked up lives, with cleverness and kindness.

The other person's chayus (in what they personally witnessed) is sure to give you chayus. And if not, get your keli into better shape, and it will penetrate.

[my_soul_thirsts]

I once heard something very interesting from a teacher of mine: the healthiest and most rewarding thing a person can do for themselves is to MAKE themselves inspired. When you are lacking chayus, THAT is when you should get up, get dressed, go on mivtzoyim, give over a sicha, SOMETHING to remind yourself who you are and what your shlichus is...

Just my two cents!

[Vechaby770]

listen to niggunim (chabad classics etc.
maybe also w/ a woofer see how fast u are inspired then!!!

[noahidelaws]

Look at a picture of the Rebbe.

[chossidnistar]

video

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/livingtorah_cdo/aid/310852/jewish/We-Want-Moshiach-Now.htm

http://770live.com/en770/770video.asp?id=3&vid=17&spd=1

[Majorthinker]

I have a better idea: Go to sleep so you won't be sick. :)
Drink tea with lemon and take vitamins. :) But don't eat heavy foods- only eat simple carbs because it takes less koach to digest. Also take tylenol, but not too often.
Then, once you're feeling better, you'll have chayus. :tongue:

[GroisaTzadik]

I have a better idea: Go to sleep so you won't be sick. :)
Drink tea with lemon and take vitamins. :) But don't eat heavy foods- only eat simple carbs because it takes less koach to digest. Also take tylenol, but not too often.
Then, once you're feeling better, you'll have chayus. :tongue:

As the Besh"t says, "A small hole in tbe body is a large hole in the Neshomo."

[Majorthinker]

Thank you for that little bit of inspiration. :rolleyes: I take it this means that you never get sick, correct?

GT, let's put it this way: I hope you grow up before you get married.

[GroisaTzadik]

For those who only know Yiddish -
"a kleine luch in der guf is a groisa luch in der neshomo"

[GroisaTzadik]

How do you give yourself chayus when you feel really dead, and there's no one who can help you get it?
I know what you do major!
"Du gitts Kup!" :biggrin::silly::tongue:

[Majorthinker]

For those who only know Yiddish -
"a kleine luch in der guf is a groisa luch in der neshomo"
They aren't going to be on an English-speaking board.

I know what you do major!
"Du gitts Kup!" :biggrin::silly::tongue:
Whatever.

[GroisaTzadik]

I know what you do major!
"Du gitts Kup!" :biggrin::silly::tongue:
Major dear, translate word by word litteraly into English and if you still aren't sure.... Then come to me.

[Majorthinker]

1) "dear" is a word to be used on a younger sibling, not an older one.
2) If you didn't understand...forget it.