"We have a rebbe"?

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by chossidnistar

If you think that the way that most of LUbs are conducting their lifes, is the way the Rebbe wants, there is nothing to talk about.
If you see the opposite, this would mean that for these ppl, is not working

Well the person who is asking the question is very new to Judaism period. Unsure of a large scope of halacha and still struggling with fulfilling mitzvos as he has written on this forum. So him questioning if "we still have a Rebbe" should be really rephrased to "do I have a Rebbe" because the rest of us are not unsure and if we are unsure, this question and answer are not applicable to a frum person who is striving to be a chasid, a chabad chasid specific who is struggling with missing a physical Rebbe.

The fact is that Breslov has been doing it for centuries now, and Chabad is much more organized than that. The nut jobs in Chabad arent going away anytime soon, but they dont prevent you from follow the Rebbes directive on how to bring G-dliness into the world. (which is another debate all together)

[Torah613]

What particulary intrigues me is the reference to Breslov. As if (suddenly) they are our role model, and who we emulate.
New times indeed.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by Torah613

What particulary intrigues me is the reference to Breslov. As if (suddenly) they are our role model, and who we emulate.
New times indeed.

That is exactly what I was trying to say! Thanks for condensing it into a mere 15 words so everyone else can understand what I am trying to convey.

[Torah613]

Nu, so maybe someone can explain the great gilui ohr in my condensation.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by Torah613

Nu, so maybe someone can explain the great gilui ohr in my condensation.

Im not sure how much Chassidus you have learned outside of Chabad but Breslov Chassidus although having many differences than Chabad is closer to intellectual (chochmah, binah, das) than Chagas. If your Chassidus is intellectual then you dont need a physical spiritual leader. When your emotions are in control, you cant function without one.

Hence why Chabad has grown more since 1994 than prior. Except the fact the Rebbe is still physically alive hiding the basement of 770. That's neither here nor there.

condensation always leaves smudges on glass.

[Torah613]

I hear. Following your (clear?) logic, we are better off than before 1994, when we were nebach limited...

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by Torah613

I hear. Following your (clear?) logic, we are better off than before 1994, when we were nebach limited...

Maybe you arent better but what about me? What about my parents? What about every Lubavitcher chasid that davka NEVER met the Rebbe? Never got a dollar, never went to a fahbrangen, never had yechidus, never saw the Rebbe bench lublav, never made a l'chaim with him.

Am I lower than you? nebach limited?

My understand of chassidus is that the Rebbe told me "Dear Chasid, you will read this after I have left this world. I am giving you direction on how to achieve your full potential. It is going to be very hard and demanding but rest assured I am here to help you."

This is on a personal level. If you disagree fine.

To say everything was perfect before GT? Well YOU didnt bring Moshiach. None of you did. So now what? Its all over? Vata Tzeaveh. I think not.

[Torah613]

So you are agreeing with my understanding of your position. I hear.

[Lamp Lighter]

Im glad we can agree. Its rare here

[chossidnistar]

Maybe my perspective is different bc I was with the Rebbe from some years before 27 ADAR 5752.
In my opinion today is a tragedy

[chossidnistar]

Originally Posted by Lamp Lighter

Hence why Chabad has grown more since 1994 than prior. Except the fact the Rebbe is still physically alive hiding the basement of 770. That's neither here nor there.

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hiding? what for?are you kidding?

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by chossidnistar

hiding? what for?are you kidding?

Are you asking me if I am mocking the people that have their children point at the Rebbes chair and yell Yechi? Who then proceed to push people (literally) out of the way to make way for the Rebbe to pay through.

Yes, I am.


After Gimmel Tammuz is a tragedy indeed. Only if you make it one.

Why does Ha Yom Yom say that learning a maamar from the Rebbe does something that seeing the face can never obtain? That Ha Yom Yom solved a lot of my problems never having met the Rebbe.

The Rebbe has the answer to all the question in the mammarim and the sicha. We all want him back with tichias hameism before moshiachs arrival.

[chossidnistar]

it's not the ideal situation
you are talking about a bedieved situation
the ideal situation is to have the Rebbe b'gashmius
and many ppl can only relate to something like this,in the ideal situation,specially newcomers
And not limited to them,as you can see a reflecton of this in Large Lubs communities

[ktonton]

Originally Posted by noahidelaws

I see that the content in the links cited were not addressed at all by the questioner, which I find rather odd; as that may be, I await such comments. See also here.

can you please stop quoting your own blog? just because you publish it by yourself on the internet doesn't mean that it has any more authority.

it might, ch"v give the reader the impression that you are presenting someone else's understanding of the sources, v'chu.

your blog really doesn't constitute a source in any sense (except chu), and what you wrote there can just as easily be pasted here in a more relevant presentation.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by chossidnistar

it's not the ideal situation
you are talking about a bedieved situation
the ideal situation is to have the Rebbe b'gashmius
and many ppl can only relate to something like this,in the ideal situation,specially newcomers
And not limited to them,as you can see a reflecton of this in Large Lubs communities

I am talking about reality.

No one is debating the "ideal" situation here

if many people can only relate to a physical Rebbe then how can you have tens of thousands of fanatical Israel meshichists that never once saw the Rebbe b'gashmius to the point that they claim he is G-d and lets not lie that those people dont number in the hundreds!

Dont limit the Rebbe or the Rebbeim or Chabad Chassidus. It is intellectual and your worse are full of emotion.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by ktonton

can you please stop quoting your own blog? just because you publish it by yourself on the internet doesn't mean that it has any more authority.

it might, ch"v give the reader the impression that you are presenting someone else's understanding of the sources, v'chu.

your blog really doesn't constitute a source in any sense (except chu), and what you wrote there can just as easily be pasted here in a more relevant presentation.

Stop making a non issue into one.

[chossidnistar]

Originally Posted by Lamp Lighter

I am talking about reality.

No one is debating the "ideal" situation here

if many people can only relate to a physical Rebbe then how can you have tens of thousands of fanatical Israel meshichists that never once saw the Rebbe b'gashmius to the point that they claim he is G-d and lets not lie that those people dont number in the hundreds!

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this is exactly my point
these "fanatical Israel meshichits" that claim he is G-d ,are,unfortunately korbanos.

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by Lamp Lighter

if many people can only relate to a physical Rebbe then how can you have tens of thousands of fanatical Israel meshichists that never once saw the Rebbe b'gashmius to the point that they claim he is G-d

The beginning of the sentence is itself the answer.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by Torah613

The beginning of the sentence is itself the answer.

ZING! Well done!

[chossidnistar]

and this is only a small part of the consequences for ppl who only can relate to a pshysical Rebbe

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by Lamp Lighter

ZING! Well done!

I have no idea if your responses (to me) are meant to be sarcastic, humorous, straightforward, or something else that escapes me. Should I care?
Or maybe the problem is with me.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by Torah613

I have no idea if your responses (to me) are meant to be sarcastic, humorous, straightforward, or something else that escapes me. Should I care?
Or maybe the problem is with me.

Everything I said was destroyed by one comment I made. The entire sentence is a contradiction and shows I was wrong all a long.

The problem is we both lose.

So its meant to be a little of all of that.

I laughed a little to.

The problem is that my generation doesnt know what its like to not have the rebbe anymore as we never had him. Still coming back into Lubavitch after being gone for so long, I feel more connected to the Rebbe now than ever.

[mosheh5769]

Originally Posted by Lamp Lighter

if many people can only relate to a physical Rebbe then how can you have tens of thousands of fanatical Israel meshichists that never once saw the Rebbe b'gashmius to the point that they claim he is G-d and lets not lie that those people dont number in the hundreds!

-First of all, you are confusing the Meshichist belief that the Rebbe is Moshiach with the Elokist belief that the Rebbe is G-d. You're taliking about two different things and beliefs.

-Second, the Elokists are not even a hundred people and they are marginal.

-Three, to say that Meshichists are comprised of TENS OF THOUSANDS of people is a lie as big as saying that they are less than hundred people.

-Four, all the Meshichists are not fanatical, even if it's true that the situation in EY, more than in any other country, is sad.

[Torah613]

If I was in the mood, I would argue on all 4 points. But to explain - would be too lengthy, so I will leave it with a short statement: I disagree.

[Lamp Lighter]

Originally Posted by mosheh5769

-First of all, you are confusing the Meshichist belief that the Rebbe is Moshiach with the Elokist belief that the Rebbe is G-d. You're taliking about two different things and beliefs.

-Second, the Elokists are not even a hundred people and they are marginal.

-Three, to say that Meshichists are comprised of TENS OF THOUSANDS of people is a lie as big as saying that they are less than hundred people.

-Four, all the Meshichists are not fanatical, even if it's true that the situation in EY, more than in any other country, is sad.

I disagree. Back to the topic at hand.

"Do we have a Rebbe?"